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Usually non tenders are just outrights prior to the deadline. See Nicky Lopez for example.

They literally can't.

I mean, Jose is getting paid $20M in 25 by the Astros. He'd cost the pro rated minimum. He's probably toast, but it'd be cheap toast at least.

I'd absolutely bring Jose back on an milb deal if they move on from AV.

Guy was brutal first half of last season but was still attractive enough to be traded 2x. He's a useful bench bat, especially if he bounces back to 20-23 form. Sexy? Absolutely not. But decent platoon pairing for Beni in LF and whoever of Fletcher/Colas/Deloach that plays right. I'm assuming it's a pretty cheap 1 year deal, so not much to hand wring about here imo.

Williams, Mauricio, Baty and Baez is pretty intriguing, especially if some feel they can do better.

Idk. Don't get me wrong, nothing Getz has done with the roster has been great. The Cease deal was a C+ at best. They should have done better. But it wasn't a complete disaster. I hate(d) the Fedde/Kopech deal and always felt it was a good prospect short, but you have to also consider the fact that he a) signed Fedde to begin with; b) while Vargas SSS w/ Sox was an unmitigated disaster, he's probably not that bad, and you can make a decent argument that he was the highest pedigree prospect moved at the deadline; and c) Fedde probably just didn't have much value. I also think Albertus and Perez are pretty interesting. Nothing else he has done is really that terrible. He's obviously overhauling the way the org is structured which is the most important long term, imo. Now, if Getz does any of those disgustingly terrible ideas Harold claims are on the table, i'll change my tune.

We also have a national insider (Passan) saying that Dominguez + Jones isn't enough for Crochet. So, like, there is plenty out there on both sides.

Damn, didn;t realize Lux was down to jsut 2 years. Even more support for it being a terrible idea. Something like De Paula, Lux and someone in the 8-15 range for Robert would work, I guess. I'd still prefer someone other than Lux. But even then, I'd rather just hold and hope we get good Robert in 25. IF we do, he's worth multiples of his current value. When he's not even that expensive, we don't really have anyone else to take his spot, and still have plenty of control, rushing into a meh deal after his brutal 24 isn't necessary.

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom. I don't buy it. You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing. Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control. If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

It's obvious trolling. Or like you said, we're fuc ked.

None of this makes any sense.

What good does an ace SP do you for you when you're projected to lose 120 games with him? Honest question.

While I am not advocating for trading for Abreu is the headliner (think he would be a fine 2nd piece), comparing the ages of Crochet and Abreu is worthless. Control is what matters.

I don't either. It would be terrible. Sox are in relatively solid shape as far as SP goes. Position players? Yuck. Was just playing along with the game though, because the logic just isn't there. Its also worth recognizing that elite offensive talents rarely get traded now a days. Look no further than the Cease deal. Still can't believe that is the best we could get.

While I wouldn't trade for a pitcher headliner in a Crochet deal, I'll play along. If Crochet's arm explodes next season, he very well may never pitch another inning for the White Sox, and if he does, we're talking 2nd half of 2026, and he'd have next to zero trade value, if any. If the Sox were to acquire Andrew Painter, he has 6-7 years of control. If he goes down with another TJS, he either has 6-7 years of control still, or worst case, you lose a season and a half of control if he happens to be on the active roster when the injury happens. This is pretty meaningful difference when the Sox might lose more than 121 games in 2025 (even with Crochet!), and would require a miraculous turn around to be remotely competitive in 2026 (even with Crochet!). But we can continue to ignore those extremely relevant details if you so wish.

You could theoretically bring him back for a couple mill. Giving him the $5M we would have gotten in arb would have been insane. That being said, just give those at bats to guys already in the org (Sosa, Baldwin, Amaya, etc.). Colson will factor into the infield mix by June too. By the way, does anyone know what happened to Braden Shewmake? After getting demoted early the season, he played of a bit in Charlotte, hit the IL and never heard an update rest of season. Kinda weird.

Hmmm. You're on quite a tear lately. You're a smart guy, so I am not telling you anything you don't know, but... I personally wouldn't extend Crochet. To me, he feels like a huge injury risk. There are so few miles on his arm, his injury history, lack of history starting, pitching motion, etc. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he didn't even make it to FA without a major injury. Handing him a long term deal at $20-25M would insanely risky for a team that doesn't hand out big contracts. Imagine the meltdown if the Sox hold him this offsaeason and his arm blows up in June. I am sure you'll suddenly be campaigning that it was idiotic to keep him. You have to look at his limited control, how bad the team projects to be in thsoe two years even with him, the fact that he is the last bullet of big time trade value left, and the Sox badly needing more talent. He's gootta go. And those things aren't really affected by the fact that JR is POS (which we can certainly agree on).

Trading Crochet is such a no brainer. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone that understands (a) where the Sox currently stand; (b) how the white sox historically have operated; (c) the dearth of high end positional talent; and (d) Crochet's general risk profile, current value and contractual status; can possibly believe that retaining Crochet is in the organization's best interest.

He's also dealt with achilles issues, which certainly would impact mobility and athleticism in the OF. Sounds like he played through it April/May before hitting the IL in early June with it. Not really defending his OF defense, its been mostly terrible. It routinely look like he wasn't even trying out there. He did look noticeably better out there towards the end of 24 though. Where did I say he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player? I said "its not beyond the realm of possibility he will be a positive WAR player..". As in like the 0.5-1 WAR range.

Was a fan of his several years ago. Missed most of 2023 and all of 2024 following shoulder surgery.

This. Garrett Crochet owes a big thank you to the White Sox. In most orgs, he'd be 4-5 years from free agency.

I think Benintendi has some left in the tank. The bat was solid June on, and was actually quite good in August and September. He also looked more athletic in the field as the season went on; its obvious he really wasn't healthy in 23 and early 24. He's overpaid without a doubt, but most FAs are, and I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility he could be positive WAR player the rest of his contract. I personally would just keep him. He's a good first half away from being tradable. Attaching him to Crochet is insanity and I refuse to believe its something they're actually considering. They'll be a bottom 5 payroll in the league even with Beni, and badly need to maximize talent infusion.

WOOF. Robert has more control than Lux. Makes less than zero sense

That crowd has their head in the sand (or worse).