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    Joc Pederson thoughts

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Did you just call June to August “garbage time” for a team that was nearly .500?  Yes, it is a small sample size, but Nomar did make some legit approach changes that impacted his batted ball profile (there are articles on this if you don’t believe me).  This is the reason teams have scouts, to find guys that are at the beginning of an upward trajectory.  Whether or not he’s that guy remains to be seen, but the Sox certainly feel that way and good clubs routinely acquire under-valued assets.  It may be a bold or even risky move to gamble on upside, but calling it ego-centric just reeks of disdain for our front office.

    He also battled a wrist injury for much of 18 and 19. Has said late in 2019 Season was first time his wrist had felt normal on years. 

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    Joc Pederson thoughts

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    4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Here are Mazara’s splits against RHP from June to August after some approach changes and before going down with oblique & thumb injuries: .333/.382/.593/.975 (143 wRC+).  Yes, that line is partially fueled by a .400 BABIP but the. 260 ISO is legit and that led to 15 2B’s & 8 HR’s in about 165 plate appearances.

    I’m not looking to do a rah-rah post here and I was plenty upset about the Mazara trade at the time, but that was before we added Encarnación to help anchor the middle of the lineup next year.  Now with EE in the fold, I’m far more willing to gamble on Nomar’s update.  This was a kid who got a $5M bonus and was consensus top 20 prospect in the game before reaching the majors.  There is no doubting the talent and while I am with the group that argues age isn’t a skill, the reality is there is still plenty of room for growth when you are still just 24 years old and were brought to the major at an incredibly young age.

    Again, I would have preferred Joc over Mazara all else being equal, but the org has made it’s move and is not going to pay even more to acquire a redundant player in Pederson.  IMO, we should give the front office the benefit of the doubt here and see how this plays out.  The Sox are betting on on their own evaluations and if they’re right this could be a big win for us.  If not, go ahead and rip them shreds after the season for going with a questionable RF option when the rest of their moves were geared towards winning now.

    For now, my primary concern is them using Nomar as an everyday guy.  At bare minimum, I think he should be a useful strong side platoon RF, but the kid can not hit LHP and the org better not cute here by over-exposing him.  Giving him everyday at-bats is a recipe for disaster and I wish he had a more proven platoon mate than Engel to avoid such temptation.

    Good post.

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    KW says "no Puig"

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    3 minutes ago, SouthWallace said:

    He doesn't fit.  And I've been banging that drum all winter.  Grandal supposedly vouched for Puig with the FO too, and yet he remains unsigned.  Puig the name =|= Puig the player.  Teams seem to have recognized this, even if posters here can't.

    Yah he isn’t good anymore. There is worse insurance to Eloy injuries and Mazara not improving, but Puig makes so little sense as an actual bench bat. If he’s OK coming in on a milb deal, servicing as ST injury depth and then start in AAA, that’s one thing. But handing the guy a guaranteed contract, even if only a couple million, doesn’t make much sense. 

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    KW says "no Puig"

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    17 hours ago, SouthWallace said:

    Doesn't solve the other side of a Mazara platoon.  Takes the roster spot of a more versatile defensive backup.  How exactly does he fit?

    He doesn’t. If he wants a minor league deal, sure. But he’s not a good fit for this roster at all. 

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    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

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    3 minutes ago, bmags said:

    People act like the social media managers of teams are like, sitting in Rick Hahn's office.

    Right. That person knows nothing. But random trade rumors involving the Sox happen all the time. Weird for the Sox media team to troll this particular one. It’s not like they’re the Denver Nuggets twitter that trolls everything. A little strange, but still 99% BS. 

    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

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    3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

    Hypothetically speaking maybe the Rockies wouldnt want madrigal and wanted pitching. One team cant just say, take this guy he's blocked in our system.

    Then, hypothetically speaking, the White Sox can say our 3B is only marginally worse than yours and far less expensive, so you can GFY. 

    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

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    4 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

    There is only one reason why I see the Sox doing is if they think they can’t extend Moncada long term so they would basically move Moncada to 2nd base short term or until Madrigal comes up and in the meantime they are looking for trade deadline suitors for Moncada. Possibly for more pitching. However, I think this is totally bogus and this guy needs to stop!

    Lol Moncada is still controlled for 4 seasons.

    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

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    2 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

    I have to say, it’s bold to double, triple, quadruple down on something like this. But like everyone else has been saying, all he has to do is say a medical fell through, or Arenado got cold feet.

    He has so little to lose tho. He can just start a new fake Twitter. 

    What would it take to get Nolan Arenado?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    44 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

    If we are being dumb and speculating for fun.....

    Madrigal, Stiever and Collins.

    Meh. I wouldn’t HATE it, but I just don’t think NA should really have much surplus value. But if you're trading for NA, Madrigal is pretty much the only guy that makes sense as the centerpiece. Gotta make room for Yoan at 2B. I guess if he waived NTC, it’s be alright.

    All that being said, this rumor is 99.9% BS. 

    Is Mookie Betts a real option for the Sox with payroll history??

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    First things first, the White Sox aren’t trading for Betts.

    Second - the Sox will certainly be one of a handful of teams that will be interested in Mookie next winter. I don’t think he’ll get $420M, but could see 10/$350M type deal. I do think the Sox are and will remain a long shot to actually sign him, but we should be in a better position than at least like 75% of clubs. That’s a start. If things go mostly according to plan this season, but Mazara is the dude he’s always been, RF could legitimately be the only hole to hole to fill with an approximately $100M payroll after arb. The money will be there on an AAV basis. It’s the years that obviously will concern Jerry.

    I wouldn’t necessarily bet on the Sox signing him, but I think they’ll be a real bidder and a finalist for Betts. 

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    Opening Day 26 Man Roster Discussion

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    1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    He's a little sensitive but I think there's a fair question if what they are doing with Kopech (to claw back the lost year) is shadier than simply delaying the clock start (which EVERYBODY does EVERY time without an extension in place), but simply waiting the two weeks to grab an extra year isn't a service time "game" anymore it's simply BAU.  Change the rules.  Don't player hate, player hate the game.

    It’d be behind idiotic not to. 2 weeks is never better than 1 full season. Ever. 

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    Opening Day 26 Man Roster Discussion

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    15 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    Bruh nobody was even arguing that they wouldn't keep him down for the extra year.  The "getting cute" was perhaps related to waiting the additional time for super 2.  Nobody is really even arguing with you you're tilting at windmills.  Mostly everyone is in agreement here.

    This. Unsurprising tho. 

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