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19 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
hopefully, but this is the Sox and JR. If he can save 5 million on Madrigal in 2024 he will try. Believe the extra year will only require about three weeks in Charlotte so sometime around April 20th had be up if they don't care about Super 2.
I see very little chance he isn't up before June 1. Gun to head, I'd say early May. Super two deadline is usually late to mid June.
I think after Kopech and Madrigal the days of being cute are over for the time being.
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45 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
There's zero percent chance even if he hits 500/600/700. He'll be up whenever the projected Super 2 deadline passes, and not a second before.
I would bet a large sum of money Madrigal is both not on the opening day roster and barring an injury, called up before the super 2 deadline.
The Sox aren't going to give AF about the super 2. They want the extra year.
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3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:
@Look at Ray Ray Run @ChiSox59
Sounds like a great chance for a bet between you two. 10-1 odds. If Madrigal breaks camp with the team, you owe Ray Ray $200. If he doesn't, Ray Ray owes you $20.
Why don't you guys just PayPal me the money now and I'll send it to whoever wins the bet? In fact, go ahead and give me your checking account information and social security numbers just in case anything goes wrong.
Lol well played.
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Some high quality analysis going on in here.
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1 minute ago, TomPickle said:
I'll be very interested to see what the return was for Marte. If it's mostly just Zac Gallen would you have traded Cease for Marte straight up?
No
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2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:
Yeah, Stone mentioned that Madrigal still had a few things to work on in Charlotte before he gets called up. He never mentioned service time for either player.
I mean Leury and Madrigal are perfectly fine to fill in for a couple weeks. They're not going to punt a year for 15 games when they have acceptable options. Plus Madrigal has a grand total of 314 plate appearances above A ball. Its not like they're artificially holding him down like they would have been with Robert.
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On 10/31/2019 at 9:53 PM, ChiSox59 said:
For shits and giggles, I am going to take this a step further a guess teams and deals
Cole - 8 years, 255 million (Yankees); 9/$324 (Yanks)
Rendon - 8 years, 245 million (Nats); 7/$245M (LAA) NAILED IT
Stras - 6 years, 200 million (Nats); 7/$245M (Nats)
Bumgarner - 5 years, $145 million (Twins); 5/$85M (Dbacks) JUST A BIT OUTSIDE
Ryu - 4 years, 88 million (Angels); 4/$80M (Jays)
Donaldson - 4 years, 82 million (Twins); 4/$92M (Twins); NAILED IT
Wheeler - 5 years, 98 million (White Sox); 5/$118M (Phillies)
Ozuna - 4 years, 78 million (Cardinals); 1/$18M (Braves) JUST A BIT OUTSIDE
Grandal - 4 years, 72 million (White Sox); 4/$73M (White Sox) NAILED IT
Odorizzi - Accepts QO (Twins); Accepted QO NAILED IT
Hamels - 4 years, 68 (Angels); 1/$18M (Angels) JUST A BIT OUTSIDE
Didi - 4 years, 55 million (Giants); 1/$14M (Phillies) JUST A BIT OUTSIDE
Keuchel - 4 years, 62 million (Reds); 4/$55.5M (White Sox) NAILED IT
Castellanos - 4 years, 70 million (Cubs); 4/$64M (Reds) NAILED IT
Miley - 2 years, 25 million (Blue Jays); 2/$15M (Reds)
Encarnacion - 1 year, 12 million (Rays) 1/$12M (White Sox) NAILED IT
Moustakas - 2 years, 27 million (Rangers); 4/$64M (Red) JUST A BIT OUTSIDE
Will Smith - 4 years, 41 million (Rockies); 3/$40M (Braves)
Will Harris - 3 years, 32 million (Astros); 3/$24M (Nats)
Betances - 2 years, 18 million (White Sox); 1/$10.5M (Mets)
Roark - 1 year, 13 million (Orioles) 2/$24M (Jays)
Pineda 2 year, 18 million (Twins) 2/$20M (Twins) NAILED IT
Overall I did pretty well. Estimates on Bumgarner, Ozuna, Hamels, Didi and Moustakas were pretty off, but the rest I either nailed or was in the ball park. I still do find the Bum, Ozuna, Didi and Mous deals pretty strange either for player or team. In hindsight, not sure what I was thinking with Hamels. Was pretty short on Cole as well.
Fun little game, glad I participated.
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Can Aquino play any defense? His metrics don't look great, but he would be kind of a fun platoon mate for Mazara. Certainly no room for him on the Reds at this point.
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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Those are two legit good points though; I'll give Steve that.
If someone was willing to give me long odds on Madrigal, I'd be willing to bet he breaks camp with the team. If he has a huge spring, I think he puts the pressure on and I think they go for it and call him up.
I dont think there is any chance, honestly.
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Bullet dodged. What a garbage deal this would have been for the Sox, and the Reds are nuts.
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Fulmer will be last guy in the pen to start the year IMO. Unless his ST is straight garbage, they’ll give him one last chance.
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2 hours ago, ron883 said:
Does he have a lipper in during these events?
For a guy that talks about Jose’s chewing an awful lot, you sure do know all the dip lingo.
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1 hour ago, tray said:
You sound like the Sox gave Jose an Albert Pujols contract.
What if Moncada decides to sign an extension in part because his his pals are going to be on the team with him for a few years ?
The Sox want to keep Eloy, Moncada, Robert and Abreu happy for a few years. No worries. This will work out just fine.
I literally just said it’s whatever. The Sox wanted to take care of their guy. But they paid him between $15-20M more than anyone else would have, maybe more. It was unnecessary.
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A few things.
The Abreu extension was and remains bad. It’s not like the Sox can’t work around it, but it was completely unnecessary. That said, clearly Jose provides intangibles to the club that the org loves, and they wanted to keep him around and take care of their guy. So long as he doesn’t fall off a cliff and so long as his $50M over the next 3 years doesn’t stop the Sox from adding other impact players as needed, it’s whatever. That remains to be seen, but in year 1 it doesn’t appear it made much of a difference.
Nomar Mazara has been just a guy. But he’s incredibly talented, and has battled hand injuries the past 2 seasons. I didn’t love the move at the time, but based on how the lineup looks, I have no issues whatsoever rolling the dice on him for the 2020 season. He’s going to be an above average bat against RHP, and he’s going to be a slightly below average RF. There is a chance things click for him and we have a monster everyone thought he would be 4 years ago.
No matter how much Backdoor tries to will Nick Castellanos into existence, it’s just not going to happen. The Sox clearly have their eye on better fits for the long term roster in RF next offseason and they also want to give Mazara a shot in the meantime. It’s time to let it go, bud. Castellanos isn’t even that good and his OF defense is comically bad. We don’t need 2/3 of our OF for the next several seasons to be DHs. Don’t understand why you’ve been so unwieldy to accept that that isn’t a positive for this org.
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Meant to quote Southwallace:
I don't disagree here at all, which is why I have Brad Miller so high on my list. He makes a lot of sense. Sox are pretty thin on the left side of the IF if there is an injury. Sure Mendick and Leury could fill in in a pinch there, but I don't think the Sox are super excited about him being option 2 at both 3B and SS.
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40 minutes ago, TomPickle said:
I know they want to play service time games with Kopech, but he's going to be 19 months removed from Tommy John by the start of the season. He should be ready if needed as well.
I was counting Kopech already. Giolito, Keuchel, Lopez, Cease, Gonzalez, Kopech.....Rodon sometime mid summer, and Dunning, Lambert, Flores and even Steiever as mentioned also should be 2nd half options if need be.
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37 minutes ago, Colinski said:
Defo Collin McHugh at its not even close for me. Currently if a starter gets injured in the second inning or get shelled who pitches ? I hate using an entire pen to get though a game, he could also spot start. I’ll be banging the drum (bin ?) for this one until opening day.
I am not against McHugh by any means, but Dunning, Lambert, Flores and even Steiever could all take starts in the 2nd half if the need arose.
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1. Ben Zobrist
2. Brock Holt
3. Brad Miller
4. Kevin Pillar
5. Steven Souza
6. Hunter Pence
7. Scotter Gennett
8. Derek Dietrich
9. Yolmer Sanchez
10. Brian Dozier
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2 hours ago, Lillian said:
Leury should be just fine, as a platoon partner for Mazara. He hits lefties well enough to cover those games, as his performance over the last 3 years indicates:
AVG OBP SLG
.302 .341 .349
.333 .349 .444
.311 .344 .443
Given his speed and versatility, he is probably as good as some of the other names, which have been suggested, in the limited role of Mazara's platoon partner, especially when considering the cost. I'm much more interested in additional pitching depth, than I am concerned about acquiring a guy to take 100 + at bats from Mazara. In fact, I'd kind of like to know if Mazara can learn to hit lefties better. If Nomar realizes his potential vs. RH pitching, it would be helpful to know if he would still need a platoon partner, going forward, should the Sox have an interest in extending him.
Exactly. Leury with a little Engel sprinkled is a perfect weak side platoon mate for Mazara. We're talking about one season here.
Plus, the FA market isn't exactly teaming with guys that rake lefties, can play an acceptable RF and can be had on a reasonable contract.
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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
I don't read it that way at all. Mazara hasn't earned that right with his play and has to earn it. Anointing him the long term answer would be bad management.
Agreed
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2 hours ago, fathom said:
Sounds like a guy that knows this roster still needs a finishing piece and RF next free agency is the way to do it.
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1 hour ago, soxfan3530 said:
Give me Brock Holt. He can start at 2B until Madrigal is ready and then play above average D all over the diamond with a decent bat.
I support Holt as well.
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5 minutes ago, gusguyman said:
I tend to agree that Castellanos wouldn't be the best use of resources, but also I don't think the logjam is as problematic as you imply here. When everyone is healthy:
Adam Engel optioned to Charlotte
Starting OF of Eloy, Robert, Castellanos.
Mazara takes a 2-3 games a week from Castellanos and Eloy, mostly against RHP. He takes another game a week in RF when you shift Castellanos to DH.
EE at DH 4-5 games a week, Castellanos and Grandal/McCann when you rest him (at his age, we probably don't want to push EE for 140+ games anyway)
You also can move people around to give Jose one game off a week.
That is when everyone is healthy. As soon as one of Robert/Eloy/Castellanos/EE/Jose gets an injury (which seems likely), you shift it all around.
The only disadvantage is you are losing Adam as a late-inning defensive replacement. In a really healthy season, maybe his defense is worth more wins. But if any of those 5 guys misses significant time (or if someone like EE hits the age cliff) having both Castellanos and Mazara makes you a MUCH deeper team, and would obviously be worth more wins.
You also have the worst defensive OF in the game with a young developing pitching staff, and you’re going to be forced into sitting a really good stick at all times. The second part I guess is a good problem to have, but it’s pretty extraneous.
Like I said, I won’t complain about Castellanos on a 1 year deal. I don’t see it as all that likely, but I guess him signing a 1 year deal feels more likely now than it did pre Ozuna signing. Anything over a year would be a such a shortsighted move, and it’d be really hard to convince me otherwise. But I suppose if he’s cheap enough you can always dump him for nothing but salary relief down the road if he doesn’t fall apart.
I just really want the Sox to play good defense. NC just makes that very difficult. Can live with it for a year for a great value deal, but it’s not a wise longer term decision.
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24 minutes ago, fathom said:
Sox still need a depth piece in the OF, as Eloy and Robert are huge injury risks. Relying on Engel and Garcia to back them up seems like a big risk to me.
Definitely wouldn't be opposed to that.
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Maybe. Sort of depends what happens with EE this season. If he's good, the option gets picked up and Vaughn probably gets the kid gloves treatment. If Vaughn has a great 2020 and EE is meh, I wouldn't be surprised to see Vaughn OD 2021. But yah, most likely won't see Vaughn until late April/early May 2020, and that is fine with me.