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I will believe it when I see it. Last several winter meetings were snoozers. Won't stop me from being an incredibly unproductive employee for three days though.

Yah, I mean, I doubt that would be enough to convince the Rays to move him. But they're also an org that may have some interest in some of our spare parts. Would Vaughn, Dunning, Collins and Basabe offer get you laughed at?

Besides the Rays being the Rays, is there any reason to believe they're actually looking to trade Snell?

I really don't see the Sox moving major prospects (Robert, Madrigal, Cease, Kopech, and major young pieces at MLB level). Give 60% of the Wheeler offer to Ryu. Sign a backend SP or trading from prospects that don't currently project to be major pieces in 2020. Trading anything that projects to be a major piece moving forward after going through this process would be something. I guess I could see a scenario where moving Vaughn makes some sense, but it would be for a major piece in addition to signing Ryu - not in lieu of.

And then still have 2 rotation spots to fill? Not saying I wouldn't do that deal - I would - but we're not really in a position to be trading from our limited MLB SP crop.

One of these is not like the others. Walker is also a FA. I'd love a Robbie Ray + Peralta to Sox deal. Worth noting Ray is a FA after 2020 though.

Thankfully there are at least 4 great to very good options that are FA next offseason. Betts is a pipedream, but I would take all over Springer, Joc and Brantley over Ozuna or Castellanos from 21-23/24 timeframe.

If the Sox were going to jettison Leury, he would have been nontendered. He is going to be on the roster.

Someone to play 2B until Madrigal arrives. Backup option thereafter. Maybe an option to play corner OF if someone needs a day off. I personally prefer Derek Dietrich for that role on a cheap 1 year deal, but Gennett would be fine too. It would be nice to have a decent option to fill in for a couple weeks when injuries happen - Yoan specifically has exhibited that he is probably a guy that is going to spend a stint or two on IL each season.

I definitely wouldn't say MLTBR isn't worth paying attention to in regard to their projections. But they made their predictions before any moves had been made. So far, of the major free agents that have signed, almost all of them have been bigger deals than most expected. So I think everyone's "updated assumptions" have increased, and MLBTR doesn't revise their original projections as the market develops.

Joc would cost a little more than Peralta, for sure. But you can definitely get Joc without any of our premium prospects or current MLB pieces.

Ask him for the contract terms.

Both Joc and Peralta should not cost anything more than fringe prospects we're very unlikely to miss, both play better defense than Ozuna, both cost less $ on an AAV basis, both are 1 year commitments, both leave RF open for a nice 2021 class for RF. They also both bat left handed which is a nice plus as well. If the Sox sign Ozuna, I won't HATE it. I really don't like the fit, but he is an enormous upgrade over what we had out there in 2019, and all internal options. But I really hate the Sox basically punting OF defense for the term of the contract. Good teams don't punt defense, especially with a young developing pitching staff.

5/$90M? Really? My lord that would be so bad.

Where is the family angle coming from? If his family think he is signing with the White Sox, he is probably signing with the White Sox.

Can you elaborate on what was said with regard to the quick signing nugget at the end?

Yah, I don’t want Ozuna. I could live with 3/50 or under tho.

3/60M is perfectly fine but anything over $18M is crazy? I don’t follow.

Kinda, but doesn’t hurt to see what’s out there.

I mean Bruce is a complete dipshit so I don’t take his word at any more value than a Frank Castillo I hadn’t heard until a few minutes ago.

Definitely think this is most likely a BS report. But if it’s true, I will reserve judgement until I see the years and dollars. Generally speaking, don’t like the Ozuna fit at all.

What are you basing #1 on? A stupid gold glove he got a few years back? Ozuna is a well below average fielder, and his arm is shot.

Who TF is Frank Castillo?

Trade Stiever + Sheets + Rutherford/Basabe to Dbacks for Robbie Ray and David Peralta. Sign Ryu 3/$63 Sign Blake Trenien 2/$16M Sign Kevin Pillar 2/$12M Sign Derek Dietrich 1/$3M OD payroll: ~$135M Lineup by mid May: Robert CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B, Grandal C/DH, Eloy LF, Anderson SS, Peralta RF, Collins/McCann DH/C, Madrigal 2B BN: Collins/McCann, Leury, Dietrich, Pillar Pillar fills in CF until Robert arrives mid May, Dietrich 2B until Madrigal arrives mid May. Leury fills in both spots occasionally. I think this is about as good and realistic as we can hope for. Opens RF up in 2021 for Betts/Springer/Brantley/Joc.

Please keep the updates coming for those that don’t have access. thanks!