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How so? What did he say? I could see him saying Oscar needs to earn his reps, but writing off Colas seems really dumb. edit: saw you said because they want a good defensive RF. Still think think Colas has a future here, but get any people are down on him.

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Anderson 2B, Benintendi LF, Robert CF, Eloy DH, Montgomery SS, Vaughn 1B, Moncada 3B, Salvy C, Canha RF BN: Merrifield, Colas, Andrus, Lee 2/$25M Canha Sox acquire Perez + $20M for nothing in top 10. Merrifield 2/$20M Giolito 1/$15M, team option for $18M Clevinger excerises player option at 1/$12M Frankie Montas 2/$27M Andrus 1/$3M Insert a couple relievers in 1 year deals between $6-10M. Montgomery takes Elvis spot by mid May. Sox spend $200-210M or so. Does that team win 81 games?

Cease's "such a bad season" was still worth 3.7 fWAR (9th among AL SP) with 214 Ks (5th in AL). Cease took a solid step in the wrong direction in 2023, but this is still a top shelf SP with 2 years of arb control (MLBTR estimate for 24 of $8.8M). Cease's value is still tremendous; it definitely depends one one's definition of "top prospects" but Cease most certainly can still return a top 30 type centerpiece and a backhalf top 100 piece, IMO. That being said, I do think the Sox will hold Cease and see what 2024 brings, and move him at the TDL if need be.

Well, the Sox have a new set of decision makers, so that changed since the TDL. If the price was too high in July, it may very well be too high still. The Royals can ask whatever they want. If they still value him as vintage Salvy, good for them - they can enjoy paying him $44M the next two years to be a replacement level player. I just don't see the Sox actually acquiring him unless Royals eat AT LEAST half the deal, and the prospect package is nothing overly interesting. Would be an odd first move for Getz to acquire an over the hill player getting paid like he's still a star.

I don't doubt the Sox have real interest in Salvy, but what I struggle with is why they would pay any sort of price to acquire him. He's a significant negative trade value at 2/$44M. Now I believe it that the Royals might have a high price on him, but I cannot imagine anyone, including Getz who just got this job, eating that deal and/or giving up legit prospects to get him. It doesn't make a sliver of sense.

I am not as anti-Perez most Sox fans seem to be. The FA catcher market is putrid, and I sure as s%*# know I don't want Lee as the only option. The issue is the dollars due. If the Royals eat $27-30M, essentially making it a 2 year $14-17M deal, and the Sox give up nothing overly interesting, I can live with that. What I cannot live with is paying him anymore than $7-8M AAV, and/or giving up anything of value to acquire him. Thing is, I bet the Royals still value Salvy a good bit just because he is their guy and fan favorite. He's worth more to the Royals than anyone else. So they probably aren't just going to hand him over and pay 75% of the tab to do so.

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Hitting a baseball at the major league level is really hard, especially when you were not given the chance to develop in the minors. AV has been very disappointing (especially in 23), but I am not ready to just write him off as he is what he is. I think there is more in there, and I do eventually think he'll become a more well rounded offensive player, but I can understand folks losing faith in him becoming anything more than a slightly above average bat. That being said, there is really no option but to stick with him at this point. He's worth more to the Sox than what they'd get for him via trade.

Not really on topic, but I hope the Sox take a run at Mark Canha this offseason. He is not a sexy name by any means, but he seems like he'd be a great fit on a shorter term deal. He gets on base, and is a grinder type this club badly needs. Can take the RF job until Colas earns his reps back (whenever that may be), and then becomes a great platoon partner for him (and Beni) against LHP. Can play RF and LF (CF and corner IFs in a pinch). I just really like the fit. 2/$25M should get it done. Might even be able to get him on a 1 year deal.

Vaughn hit tool is definitely not "maxed out".

Id pick up the option on TA. I don’t think he’s nearly the clubhouse issue some insinuate and there’s no where to go but up after his 2023 season. Sox have all sorts of $ to spend and no one better to take his spot right now. But I admit it’s no longer a no brainer and definitely interested to see what Getz does. If he moves another direction, I understand and wish TA the best. I suspect he’ll have a solid bounce back 2024 no matter where he is.

Are you including Moncada’s 2025 option buyout? Those figures I quoted are the guaranteed annual salaries for 2024 + MLBTRs arb estimates + dead money to Leury and $1.5M to Liam. I wasn’t including signing bonuses spread amongst contract term for luxury tax purposes or Abreus $1M, so maybe that was the difference.

Nearly certain to be rostered: Moncada, Benintendi, Jimenez, Robert, Bummer, Crochet, Cease, Touki, Kopech = $86.5M (9 players) Options likely to be exercised: TA = $14M Dead contracts: Leury & Liam (assuming Sox buy him out) = $7M Options I think will be exercised: Clevinger: $12M = $119.5M for 11 players. Filling out the roster with pre-arb guys = ~$11.5M = $131M total If TA is bought out and Clevinger opts out of his side, its more like $105M. Regardless of what happens with TA, Liam and Clevinger, the Sox should have plenty of money to spend if JR allows it.

Eloy is a flawed player, no doubt about it. But he has a career OPS of .811, OPS+ and wRC+ of 118. His bat is plenty good enough to be an effective DH.

Hold and hope for the best. That's about all you can do with pretty much the entirety of the returning roster. Just need to hope that Getz is much better at adding around the fringes than his predecessors.

Was a name thrown around here at TDL time as a possible piece coming back in proposals with TEX. Big arm

Should have sold high. Always sell high on relievers. Especially when you suck.

The Sox brass have a lot of stuff to worry about right now. The Cubs aren't one of them.

It didn't look too serious to me. Might be a couple week deal, though. Which would be a bummer he can't chase 40 HRs if so.

Fair enough. Missed that.

Why pull Touki? He was rolling. Pedro sucks at this.

Well, Gavin, you posting a 65 wRC+ while providing no defensive value of any kind was certainly a contributing factor. Why is this clown playing RF? I know these games don't count, but I'd literally rather watch anyone else play RF. Let another game get out of hand last night trying gator arm a ball down the line that just about any league average OF catches with ease.

This x1000. Dude was owed like $5.5M for 8 starts. Its no surprise he went unclaimed. If he was just due $1.5M without the buyout, he wouldn't have made it very far, even with the DV stuff.

I actually think there is a solid chance Clevinger does return. From the Sox perspective, picking up their side of the option is a no brainer. They need minimum 3 SP and he's a net cost of $8M. No way you find a better arm for $8M. From Clevinger's perspective, he locks in $8M in extra dollars for 2024 and gets another year of the passage of time away from his DV allegations. That at least has to be part of the calculus here, there are definitely teams that won't touch him with a 10 foot pole, we just don't know how many. The fact that he went unclaimed on waivers is at least some indication teams don't want his baggage, though obviously the price tag was significant with the buyout. If I had to guess, Clevinger is pitching for the Sox next season.