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I suggested this in Rodon thread without much support and mostly negative reaction, but I would totally approach Rodon with an extension right now (assuming he's going to have to get TJS). Something like 3 years $16M (20: $2.5M (out with TJS), 21: $5.5M, 22: $8M) and then a series of team options at $10M, $12M and $14M, each with a $500k buyout. So Rodon is guaranteed $16.5M over the next three, and it gives the Sox a lot of upside if he comes back strong. The naysayers will say why would you guarantee a guy $16M over the next three who has just underwent two major arm and shoulder operations? Well he's making $4.2M this season. Assume he'd get a slight raise in arbitration even with being out all of 2019 - call it $4.5M. And then he'd probably get $6M+ in 2020, his final year of arb. So if the Sox were to go that route, they're paying Rodon $10-12M for two years in which they know we won't pitch in year 1, and may well take some bumps in 2020 in his first year back from surgery. And then he is a FA. The deal I proposed would give the Sox an extra year for somewhere between $4-6M more than they'd pay him for 2 years via the arb process, but most importantly, the Sox would then get a series of team options that could be well below market value if Carlos comes back strong. That could turn into a significant asset either for the Sox, or via trade down the line. For Carlos, it gives him some security. If he turns a deal like this down, he's a FA a looking for a new deal with a new team he doesn't know. He'd have to go through the rehab process with an unfamiliar training staff. While the deal I propose would definitely limit his upside, he makes a bit more in the next two years while he rehabs in a place he is comfortable with, and if he is able to come back healthy, he still has some options that while may be a bit below market value, are still nice paydays. He could potentially be looking at a minor league deal if he is nontendered. I think it makes sense for both sides. I would prefer something a little cheaper from the Sox end - at least to start - but the numbers I proposed is something I think could actually get done and work for both sides. Basically you're betting $8M that Rodon will be able to come back from this and in exchange you get 4 free agents years (thee of which are team options) at an AAV of $11M. For me, its either extend him or non-tender him. I don't think going through the arb process two more times with him makes much sense. If you're going to keep him around, use your current leverage and get some potentially undermarket club options to make up for being loyal to your guy. Its a win-win IMO. And even if Rodon is never able to regain his form, its not like a $5.5M and $8M guarantee in 20 and 21 are going to kill the org. It is a gamble worth taking IMO.

Tilson CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B, Alonso DH, Anderson SS, Delmonico LF, Castillo C, Sanchez 2B, Cordell RF

I wont rain on the gamethread tradition, but Rickey with another lineup change today. This one is slightly better, but missing McCann and Yonder still in the cleanup sot. Tilson CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B, Alonso DH, Anderson SS, Delmonico LF, Castillo C, Sanchez 2B, Cordell RF

Ahhh..yah..."the Sox traded Robertson (who had neutral value due to his salary) in a deal that netted them a top 50 prospect". Close enough. I so think the Sox would do better the Medeiros or Cordell types with Colome if he keeps his current performance up. Teams love to overpay for relievers in July. But top 50 guy is a pipedream. Inter-division trades are unlikely, but the Twins could certainly use Colome.

Yay for Pinkleton!

Right. Hence why I said "part of a deal that netted them...". Mainly just telling WBW that the trade doesn't look great in hindsight because Rutherford has stalled some, but its still a deal you do 100 out of 100 times. I agree that the Sox have zero chance to get a top 50 prospect for Colome.

I vote we put you in charge. Would love to see how sick the Sox bullpen would be without a single "stiff".

Lol, hindsight is 20/20. Rutherford just turned 22 like a week ago, so it is far too early to call him a bust IMO. But obviously he has not been good with the White Sox and I suspect at this point his chances of being an average MLB regular are fairly low. But you make that trade 100 out of 100 times. Sometimes prospects don't work out. FWIW - the two OF bats ranked closest to what Rutherford was ranked when the Sox acquired him are Luis Robert and Yordan Alvarez. Me thinks we'd all be pretty happy if the Sox traded Colome for someone of that magnitude.

The Sox are not going to be buyers. Even if they somehow are around .500 coming July, they're still not trading legitimate future assets for current pieces. The one exception I could see to this is perhaps trading for a controllable SP, but it wouldn't really be a "win now" buyers type move. I highly doubt Abreu is extended in the next 12 weeks. But I would certainly throw a 2 year $20-22M deal at him right now and see if he takes it. Robert and Madrigal will not see an inning of time with the White Sox in 2019. Nor should they. I don't think Rondon is going to have surgery, but Rodon may. I think the Sox are exploring all alternatives on that, because if it is TJS, chances are at best a coinflip that his career with the Sox is over. Alonso will be DFA'd prior to the trade deadline, IMO. Maybe someone desperate for a LH bat is willing to take on like $1M to get him, but I doubt it. I would be very surprised if Colome is on the White Sox come August 1st.

FFS, the Sox traded Robertson (who had neutral value due to his salary) in a deal that netted them a top 50 prospect at the time. If the So did that with Colome, I would be doing backflips.

They’ll cut him before the option vests. I’d prefer they do what you’re suggesting, but it’s clear they’re just going to ride him for now and cut him later. At this point, no one is going to trade for him even if he turns it around some.

Please try to add something of value with with your posts instead of repeating the same shit over and over again.

Problem with Rutherford is he needs to be added to the 40 Man this coming winter. He does kind of need to start hitting a little.

Great analysis here - but I really hope Vaughn isn’t the guy. Not that I don’t think he can be good, I just really don’t want to spend a top 3 pick on a 1B.

Assigned to Charlotte. Takes Preston Tucker's spot who has been released to pursue opportunity in KBO. Feel free to move to minor league forum, but due to our lack of outfield depth and the fact that Orlando has close to 1,000 MLB PA, figured it could go here.

I wouldn't call Rutherford "absolutely nothing" at the time.

Lol, yah I struggled with that one.

Edwin Jackson was actually pretty good for the Sox. 11-9 wit a 3.66 ERA and 3.22 FIP. 174 Ks to 57 walks.

Garcia 2B, Moncada 3B, Abreu DH, Alonso 1B, Castillo C, Delmonico LF, Anderson SS, Tilson CF, Cordell RF

Nice, let's toast their bullpen in game 1.

His wRC+ of 125 so far this season would habe been good for 9th best in baseball last season. For a 23 year old, that isn't bad.

Generally speaking, when you remove a team's top 5 prospects, the farm system is going to look pretty bad.

Covey vs. Bucholz in Canada. I think there will be some runs scored in this affair. Let's strive mightily to win 2/3 or sweep this weekend.

Nice, figured this one was done for. Probably still is, but at least we got a chance!!

Yah, they can DFA him at anytime. They are just on the hook for the remainder of his 2019 salary unless someone claims him.