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I did miss it, thanks. Was focusing on CBB yesterday until my team ripped my heart out, burned it and pissed on the ashes.

Yah, I am hoping when final terms come out we get three options instead of 2. You're also kind of ignoring salary inflation in your analysis. If Eloy is as good as we hope he is, its a pretty legitimate chance that his final arb year would be over $25M when we'll be paying him $14M. The year prior we'll be paying him less than $10M, when he'd likely be making around $15M. Not HUUUUUUGGGEE savings, but they're legitimate savings. And we get him for an extra year with $10-15M of surplus value in there if he's really good.

Thats......a significant difference from 7/$245.

Grandal, Castellanos, Boegarts, Goldschmidt and Cole are all FA next year and make varying degrees of sense as guys we could we spent money on.

Speaking of Sale, is Victor Diaz still in the sox system?

IF its for Charlotte, sure. If they plan for him to make the team over Rondon, I don't know what to say.

I voted yes and he deserved it. I think he rakes this season and makes the Sox have to make a decision. But ultimately I think the Sox keep him down until May 2020, and I am fine with that.

Everyone is signing extensions.

I think you’re underestimating what Eloy would make in his 4 arb seasons. If he is 75% as good as we hope he is, he’s going to be playing at a very nice discount in years 4-6 of this contract. Plus you have the option years, that is reported correctly, should be at an AAV of $17M, which should be a good value even if Eloy isn’t a superstar.

Pretty much seals Rondon and Engel on OD roster.

Right or wrong, I think part of the timing has to do with how this offseason has played out.

I think that is a fair take. Definitely curious to see how they spread out the money. Would like them to pay him a fat signing bonus and lower the amounts due later on. As SS2K and I have pointed out, there is definitely still upside, but I do think another club option or two at the backend would have been appropriate considering the unprecedented nature of this deal. All in all, I am happy with it. But I will reserve final judgement until I see the finalized terms.

Jake is just a bigger dude. He always has been. This is nothing new.

Post Machado, it makes a ton of sense.

What he is saying is that if Eloy becomes a star, it’s quite possible his last 3 arb years would have been something like $10M, $16M, $24M. Obviously the Sox will be paying something far less during the season like $7.5M, $9M, and $11.5M during those seasons, and then have 2 options that should be well below market value (if he turns into a star). There is definitely some upside, but in order for to a be a great contract for the Sox, Eloy has to become one of the best 5 hitters in the game. I do also agree with you that they’re paying him a lot more early for potential big savings on the 6th season and the two options.

He got this guy named Yoan Moncada.

My guess is the contract will be structures something like this: Signing Bonus: $5M 2019: $1M 2020: $2.5M 2021: $5M 2022: $7.5M 2023: $9M 2025:$11.5M 2026: $15.5M option ($1M buyout) 2027: $20M option ($2M buyout)

Why? Whats the point. This team still sucks out loud.

Well, there goes $77M of the $250M we were promised would be spent.

Why does this matter? 4/26 is meaningless now, no?

So if 8 years (with options), that means the Sox only gain 1 year of extra control over Eloy than if they were to call him up April 26th?

Right - thanks for proving my point with NSS.

I think you're misinterpreting my angle a bit. I am not suggesting I know more about medicine or how to rehab an arm injury than the White Sox. Just the way this played out is pretty shitty. If the Sox did the surgery last July (again...lets just assume for a second for the purposes of this example that he had a slight tear ), he likely misses all of 2019 anyway, but is probably already throwing and would be much more ramped up and ready to go for 2020. Now, he's likely to miss a good chunk of 2020. So either way he's missing a ton of development time, but trying to rehab the injury did cost him more game development time. Again, it is what is. But IF he had a partial tear (I don't know, you don't know, no one but Dunning, his family and the White Sox know), I think they misplayed this. Its certainly possible that he didn't and this was just going to happen at some point, and in that scenario, I guess better now than late in the 2019 season.

I see WSD released the interview last night. Busy day at work and I am fully immersed in March Madness, so not sure I am going to listen. Anyone that did care to opine if its worth listening to, or better yet, provide a summary of anything noteworthy Hahn said? Thanks in advance!

Except there is nothing concrete we have to go on saying there was no tear. There likely was a tear, it was just small or partial. It is what is now, but obviously essentially wasting 2 years of development on a then close to MLB ready starter is......not ideal.