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Does he actually to have a deal agreed to by Jan 2nd, or just a team selected and then the negotiations begin on contract? I apologize, I am not up to speed on the new posting rules.

Add Ottavino, and IMO, our pen becomes fairly deep, with a long roster of guys in AAA as insurance. That alone should be a huge improvement over last season.

What did he say? I went back and couldn't find it. Nevermind: In the original post of the the thread - was looking for Buerhle>Wood post.

A tad more than I thought he'd get. $14.3M is not nothing for a one dimensional player that is quickly approaching 40. But it is hard for a one year deal to go too sour. This also locks Sano into 3B for the Twins, and he is pretty terrible at 3B. The Twins new front office really likes trying to build a squad off stopgap players.

No.

I think Kikuchi would be a nice move depending on the price. IF he really has to sign by Jan 2, things need to move quickly.

I personally care more about winning baseball game than nationwide coverage and publicity. Manny is a better baseball player and a better fit. If you can only have one, MM is the far better option. Of course both would be better.

Giolito is going to get every opportunity this season to work things out. And he should.

I haven’t read this thread, but I just don’t understand this deal from the Reds end. They definitely improve for next season, but they’re still bad. Gave up prospects and added salary. All assets they acquire are expiring. It’s a bad deal that really helps the Dodgers. I feel like Soxtalk would be in meltdown if the Sox did this deal.

I mean...mods really can’t do anything about this? This board is dropping in quality by the hour. It’s just spam at this point. Make it stop.

What a shit storm this place has become.

He makes it very difficult to ignore. And I am well aware he doesn’t have a source.

I am not trying to be a prick man, I really am not. But you've said this at least 100 times the last few days. Everyone who reads this board knows this. You don't need to repeat it every page.

Well seems pretty obvious that Manny is going to go first. I don't see much reason for him to drag this on any further unless there are more teams legitimately in the running than the Sox, Phillies and Yankees. Only way I see this dragging on is if if the best offers are in the $250M-$270M range right now and teams aren't willing to negotiate against themselves quite yet. By all indications, Harper is not an option for the Yankees. Apparently Harper does not want to go to Philly. The Cubs and Dodgers are out unless they move a shit load of money the next few weeks. Who else is there? Obviously the line of suitors would be long if his price dropped significantly, but just assume he's getting something north of $325M over 10 years...who else is there? I think if the Sox get MM secured in the next week, the heat really goes up on the Cubs and Dodgers to try to move money, and if they can't, I think the Sox are in a fantastic position to get both IF JR is really willing to give out $700M to 2 players in one offseason.

Yah, major league teams aren't handling several hundred million dollar contracts in this fashion.

Just my opinion, but I think signing Machado helps get Harper. My guess is both is a very unlikely, but Machado has always been my preferred target. We have guys that play a corner OF in the next few years. We don't have a 3B (unless you want to count Moncada) that can be counted on anywhere in the system. Get Machado signed for a frontloaded 10/$340 with an advantageous opt out after 5 seasons, and turn around and offer Harper the same deal.

Im going over. Phillies worry me.

RIP all Soxtalk members if this is the case.

LDF?

Honestly, it is going to be ugly if the Sox don't get either. And frankly, they'll have no one but themselves to blame. They didn't HAVE to make it seem so attainable.

How is this conversation still going on? It’s unreal. sox done don’t sign say source Cubs May dump Harper if he wait. Chill out guys manny don’t sign for $50 less cmon

If that is the best offer currently, I don't think this thing is ending any time soon.

If Manny Machado wants to walk out of a meeting with a ball club after 1 hour, 3 hours, 6 hours - whatever amount of time - he can and will do that. If he doesn't want to sign somewhere and in his mind, that decision is made, why waste the rest of the day listening to pointless BS? The dude is at minimum going to make $35M a year over the next half decade. He isn't going to GAF what people have to say if he isn't interested. It may not be "good business", but I frankly don't think he's going to be too worried about it if his mind is made up. He is already a wealthy man, and is going to be one of the richest baseball players in history in a matter of weeks. Also, the talk about him doing this for his agent is one of the dumbest things I have heard the last few weeks. Manny's agent works for him - he's not doing this for anyone but himself.

$330M. Years 1-4: $40M Year 5: $35M OPT OUT Year 6: $35M Year 7-8: $30M OPT OUT Years 9-10: $20M

DA, you just love to argue pointless things for the sake of arguing, don't you?