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QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) A little surprised Luebke didn't make it as a second lefty, but it's a long season. Chances are he'll be one of the 25 pitchers the Sox use this season. Same. He was just a minors deal correct? Wonder if he has an opt out. A little surprised we're only going with 1 lefty.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) Martes/Tucker/Reed/Fisher/Perez is what that dude seems to be proposing and I'd take that in a heartbeat. He says 1 of Martes or Tucker, asumming nothing coming back from Sox besides Q. So Martes or Tucker +3 of Fischer, Perez, Reed, Paulino, Whitley and Cameron.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes now Bullpen battle down to Michael Ynoa, Anthony Swarzak, Dylan Covey and Zack Burdi. Juan Minaya is still in camp but injured. #WhiteSox Assuming Rodon starts on DL, 3 of the 4 of those have to make the squad no? 1 as the 5th starter, and 2 in the bullpen. So probably Ynoa (for sure), Covey and Swarzak.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Doubt anyone is following the first page anymore, so I'll post my updated predictions here. Catchers: Narvaez, Soto Infield: Abreu, Saladino, Frazier, Anderson, Sanchez (out of options), Davidson (out of options). Outfield: Cabrera, Liriano, A. Garcia, L. Garcia (also IF), Asche (also time at 1B and possibly 3B if needed). 1. Anderson SS 2. Saladino 2B 3. Abreu 1B 4. Cabrera LF 5. Frazier 3B 6. A. Garcia RF 7. Asche/Davidson DH 8. Narvaez C (Soto against lefties) 9. L. Garcia (May comes up early) Bench: Soto/Narvaez C Sanchez IF Davidson/Asche Liriano OF Starting Rotation: Quintana Shields Holland Gonzalez Covey (he can thank the Rodon injury) Bullpen: MR Luebke MR Ynoa MR Petricka MR Putnam SU Jennings SU Jones CL Robertson They keep all out-options guys in this scenario. Luebke optioned, so he's out. Only going to go with 1 lefty?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Chicago White Sox @whitesox now The #WhiteSox also have reassigned left-handed pitchers Cory Luebke and Matt Purke to minor-league camp. Scott Merkin @scottmerkin now The White Sox have 34 players remaining in Major League camp: 15 pitchers, three catchers, 11 infielders and five outfielders. Luebke a bit of surprise. Going with only 1 lefty?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) Joke, believe they're playing along the "conspiracy rebuild" with only trading the pro-LaRoche crowd. Figured.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:17 PM) Had no idea that Bourjos supported LaRoche Link? Or is this s a joke?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) Asche is on a minor league contract, so the Sox have to make room for him on the 40-man. I know Asche has played well, but they can always get him up before the end of April too. If he makes it, it's not that big of a deal either, just that it's easier to control Asche than others who are out of options. Right, but the only one that really makes sense is Liriano. And he's been bad this spring, and Rabbit has said he Sox want to work with him down in AAA.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Maybe Leury or Sanchez. Or even Davidson. Nothing major. For the sole purpose of having an additional arm in the pen, and not risking losing one of those three off waivers?

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) That would seem to be the roster, but I think there's a chance they'll make a minor trade that ends up with 3 on the bench and 8 in the pen. The starters really aren't that stretched out, and let's face it, not that good (besides Q). Going to be a lot of faux pitching injuries this year with the 10-day DL. I think you've mentioned this minor trade a few times that would result in a shorter bench and deeper pen. What are you thinking exactly?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) There are going to be a lot of players who come and go this year. I imagine there will be steady shuffling between Charlotte and Chicago (and maybe even Birmingham) as well as waiver additions. The best example I have is Casey Blake in 2003. Dude was a 30 year old AAAA player who got at bats with Cleveland and turned into an average to above average starter for 8 years. Maybe it's a little concerning that a 30 year old finally found his power stroke during the PED era, but it's worthy nonetheless. That's why I don't mind the idea of hanging onto a guy like Bourjos or Asche (though he'll begin the year in the minors). If Bourjos is healthy and still up to par (or close to) defensively, and can hit at all, he's arguably a 2-3 WAR player. Who makes it instead of Asche? Only one I could see is Liriano to not risk losing him on waivers.

Guys, it is really simple. The dudes with options are going to get optioned. The dudes without options are going to make the team. This is a punt year for the Sox and they may as well give Davidson, Leury, Sanchez and Ynoa a shot rather than giving them away. It really comes down to the last man on the squad and whether they go with Asche or Liriano for the last spot. With Tilson starting on the DL, and most likely Rodon as well, here is my guess: 1B: Jose Abreu 2B: Tyler Saladino 3B: Todd Frazier SS: Tim Anderson C: Omar Narvaez CF: Peter Bourjos LF: Melky Cabrera RF: Avisail Garcia DH: Matt Davidson Bench: INF/OF Leury Garcia, INF Yolmer Sanchez, C Geovany Soto, INF/OF Cody Asche SP 1. Jose Quintana 2. James Shields 3. Miguel Gonzalez 4. Derek Holland 5. Dylan Covey Bullpen: RHP David Robertson, RHP Nate Jones, RHP Zach Putnam, RHP Jacob Petricka, RHP Michael Ynoa, LHP Dan Jennings, LHP Corey Luebke Jacob May, Nick Delmonico, Danny Hayes, and Liriano (if he clear waivers) will be the first wave of players to come up when Asche is inevitably DFA'd, 25 man guys hit the DL or are traded. Each of them (sans maybe Liriano) will ML at bats with the Sox this year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 12:08 AM) http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-i...version=pgevoke Pittsburgh writer suggests Quintana for Glasnow, Keller, & Bell. Would you guys take that deal if offered or wait for something better? I'm torn here because it's obviously a ton of talent, but I hate that the one positional prospect we'd be getting is more of a 1B/DH type. I like this deal more than most of the Astros deals thrown around here, but man, WE NEED BATS!

Delmonico is going to get a look this year. But Davidsons is gonna come first!

Good read. Makes me a bit worried that he's not quite mature enough to handle it all, but that comes with the territory. Can't wait watch him everyday.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) The last time they went total rebuild, it took 3 tanking seasons although they projected 4. They wanted the team to be in place for the new park, but 1990 happened. And they didn't miss on their 1st round picks who were all on the team by August of 1990, and their trades were pretty stellar. They also didn't trade their main chips, Dotson, Bannister, DeLeon until after the 1987 season, when they dumped all 3, and didn't trade Harold for a year and a half after that. They kept Fisk and Ozzie, and Calderon. What happened then has zero bearing on what happens now.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) I disagree. I think 2019 is the year that could be the first of the competitive years. They should have Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer and Burdi in the minors in 2017. In 2018 they should all be ready to be at the MLB level. By 2019 they should all be ready to contribute a successful season. They will also have Rodon and possibly Q. This will create an outstanding pitching staff at a very cheap level. Moncada will be ready by then. They will then build more offense in FA which are more reasonable contracts than pitching. Will they definitely win in 2019? No, but that will be the first competitive year. This is pretty much how I feel. The Sox are also incredibly due for some good fortune on the offensive side. Maybe Saladino figures it out this year and becomes our 3B for the next 5 years. Maybe a guy like Liriano or May or Engel become MLB regulars. I am more bullish on Collins than SS2K (shocker). I think he is one the best sticks at C in the league by 2019. Hopefully he continues to develop behind the plate. Plus the infusion of talent we get from Q, Jones, Frazier and Robertson, and the periphery guys like Gonzo, Jennings, Melky, Petricka. I expect Hahn to focus on bats moving forward. Where we sit right now, its hard to see how this team can be competitive in 2019, but there is a lot more to be done, and I expect the Sox FO to continue to focus on MLB ready or near MLB ready prospects. Plus, our payroll will be peanuts and we'll be able to play in FA. Again, I see no scenario where the Sox don't try to be competitive in 2019, unless basically everything we acquired this winter flames out.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) take 13 pitchers and put Leury as the backup SS. That's a good way to max losses. If Anderson needs a day, Saladino will shift to SS and Sanchez or Leury to 2B.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works. I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Wishful thinking No organization is going to send (5) top 15 organizational prospects in exchange for 1 player This has been talked about to death over the winter End of the day a potential deal will look like: 2 top 5 organizational prospects (that are top 50 overall talents) plus one or two more B level prospects to round out the deal Probably, but I guess Tucker and especially Martes don't get me all that excited. I want depth if we deal with the Stros.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) "Martes and Tucker and after that I would love: One of: Franklin Perez Ramon Laureano Garrett Stubbs One of: Daz Cameron Jason Martin Miguelangel Sierra" Martes + Tucker + Perez/Laureano/Stubbs + Cameron/Martin/Sierra would be a very compelling offer that I would find hard to pass up I do not see Houston being willing to offer up 4 top 12 organizational prospects though Then no soup for you. Martes and Tucker are musts. Then two of Fischer, Reed, Perez, Whitley and Stubbs. I would personally be OK with no Martes, but I'd want something like Tucker, Fischer, Reed, Stubbs and Perez in that case.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) Martes and Tucker and after that I would love: One of: Franklin Perez Ramon Laureano Garrett Stubbs One of: Daz Cameron Jason Martin Miguelangel Sierra I'd be underwhelmed.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) Honestly I'd rather see Nicky Delmonico make it over Davidson. May as well give Davidson a shot. Delmonico has options, and he'll likely get a shot at some point. We'll likely lose Davidson if he does not break camp with the Sox, and while that may not be a huge loss, they may as well give him a look. Nothing to lose, something to gain. Delmonico will still be there.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) More moves, Engel & Kahnle to Charlotte, Fry and Pena to minor league camp 37 remain in camp, 17 pitchers, 3 Cs, 11 IFs, 6 OFs link I thought I read Kahnle was out of options. Guess not - but I wasn't too concerned about losing him anyhow..

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) Is there any evidence out there that says throwing 3 lefties in a row matters at all? Or is it just one of those weird baseball things that people think matters? It is really just about giving batters a different look.