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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) Naked Ty Pennington is blinding. Balta, what is a good Pirates message board? Trying to get a feel for what they think. I found a few, but very little action on the Q talk.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) We trade Q for Glasnow/Meadows and either Newman or Bell and I am popping the champagne Sox would easily have the best farm system in baseball by a gigantic margin. Zero debate. 1) Moncada 2) Glasnow 3) Meadows 4) Giolito 5) Kopech 6) Bell/Newman 7) Lopez 8) Collins 9) Fulmer 10) Adams 11) Burdi 12) Basabe 13) Hansen 14) Dunning 15) Tilsen Holy f*ck (dare to dream) I love how our 4th best prospect in this scenario was the 3rd best prospect in game a few months ago.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) Adding Abreu even at arb prices will increase the payroll especially when they have Bell really cheap already. under 1 mil Yeah, still far less then he'd get on the open market.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) Abreu won't be expensive (relatively of course) until he's a free agent. Don't let the word arbitration scare you, he's not going to make much more than his original 6 year contract called for even he goes through arb 2 more times. This. The number of the people that don't understand Abreu's contract situation, especially after what he just agreed to for his 2017 salary, is staggering.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) I agree, nice deal for the Bucco's if he does infact pitch like his second half. whats crazy to me is just how bad their rotation was last year Miguel Gonzalez would've been their best pitcher by fWAR; 2.7 to Cole's 2.5. No one pitched over 125 innings for them.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/mets-havent-ru...r-him/212078742 This guy suggests a Jay Bruce - Robertson swap. Lol, clearly he has no idea what the Sox are trying to do.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) Very nice comps. Would love to see Diaz added because I am not sure our plan is 100% to use Collins as a Catcher. Who knows. The White Sox plan is 100% to use Collins as a catcher. They've said as much recently. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen. But they'll be patient with him. But I do agree that acquiring another interesting young catcher doesn't hurt. Especially one that is ready, good defensively, and can help these young pitchers develop.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) Dominic Smith is a good hitter. Ahh, yes. Thanks for the correction. Not super familiar with the NYM system. It was Dunn I was thinking of.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"> Different tune to what he was saying on MLBN last night.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) I'm still not ruling out a 3 way trade involving the Mets. If the Sox did actually ask for Conforto, I could see him coming to the Sox with prospects from Pirates as well: Mets get McCutchen, Robertson Pirates get Q Sox get Conforto, Glasnow, Keller, Smith, Dunn WE NEED BATS! Conforto doesn't cut it for me as the only bat coming back for Q.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) A Meadows/Glasnow/Hayes/Diaz package would be ok, IMO. I'd like Keller too if possible. Ok? Getting two top 10 prospects, plus 2 more very interesting guys that are far from flyers would be an outstanding trade. That said, I wouldn't mind finding a way to get Newman in the deal. He excites me. Keller as well. There is definitely a good package to be made out of that group of 6, or 7 including Bell. Meadows has to be the headliner, or I want the other 6, even though I know that won't happen.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Those are all good but that dodgers package blows the rest out of the water. Yah, except the Dodgers aren't going to trade those guys, and don't really need another starter.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I like IF and CF prospects the most. I'd want a top fielder and top pitching prospect from each. So here is how I would rank them. 1. Pirates - Meadows, Newman, Keller, Diaz 2. Rockies - Rodgers, Hoffman, Tapia, Murphy 3. Dodgers - Bellinger, Verdugo, Barnes, Alvarez/DeLeon 4. Yankees - Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, Andujar 5. Astros - Martes, Tucker, Perez, Stubbs Yep. Love that Pirates package.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) I do. But I like what the top player in each deal, plus the depth of the other teams have to offer looks like too. I like Bregman as the top player to get, which is why Houston first. NYY is loaded with position player prospects. I think in a year we look back on Torres the way that Bregman and Benetendi are now. They could load up a deal with tons of position players. The Dodgers are loaded with hitters. I'd love to get a lot of their top position players, plus they have some great catching depth too, which is a big thing for me. Rockies have some great position prospects at the top, plus some good ones down their list, plus (again) catching that could go into a deal. Pitt also has a pretty intriguing catcher in Diaz as well.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Please tell me this is an autocorrect fail? Phenomenal either way

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) It depends on the top player involved. Houston would be #1 if Bregman was involved. They fall down the list if not. If we are getting the top position player prospect from each team? Houston NYY LAD Colorado Pittsburgh I don't see us as much of a match for Texas. You don't like Meadows as a headliner?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) Random question, but how come some names at the bottom where it says how many users are viewing and how many are members are in red or yellow? Is it like admin status and non-admin? What does yellow mean? lol The type of moderator. If you click on their names it says.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) Interesting how Glasnow and Kingham and Hansen are still somewhat in the talks. These were the big 3 we discussed ad nauseum for Peavy. None really impacted MLB yet. Hansen nosedive Exactly. Which is kind of scary.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Shift Marte to CF and Conforto to LF? They plan to put Marte in CF this year anyway.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I was just reading the Prospect List on the Pirates and thought the same package. I think the White Sox would have to throw a bullpen arm in there as well. Robertson or Jones. Meh. Jones is a lot more than a throw in. I want more if Jones is included. Robertson, sure I guess. Jennings maybe.

After reading around, sounds like a lot of Pittsburgh fans think Keller is as good of a prospect as Glasnow, just may not be recognized nationally as such yet. Meadows, Bell, Keller and Elias Diaz would have me very happy.

I too, am interested to see where Giolito falls on top prospect lists when they're updated. My guess is somewhere between 10-20, and I expect Lopez to be just behind him. I think Lopez still profiles as a starting pitcher, and the Sox must believe that too. As Jerksticks said, watch the highlights of his 11k game. Wow he looks nasty. I think Giolito will be fine. He needs some consistency. Coop is the right guy to work with him. I expect him up in June, and while he'll still have some lumps, I think he'll flash his ace upside. Here is to hoping his FB is up in the high 90s to start the year in AAA. If you watch highlights from him last year, he doesn't use his legs or core very much. Its all arm. I think the Sox will work with him on that.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) I would recommend listening to Callis on Garfein's podcast dropped last night. He wasn't that worried about fastball decline and mentioned how the Nats were jerking him up and down after each start. It's more easy for me to imagine and understand Giolito after going through the ups and downs with Rodon. It's hard to imagine how a guy with a 97 fastball and slider like he has not dominating, and left handed to boot! But to consistently harnass that power isn't always a clear line. http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...uture-white-sox Giolito is righthanded.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) So, I gotta come in and defend the Pirates here. This is a team that won 98 games in 2015 and deserved to. If McCutchen is still able to put up all star numbers, this is a team with a number of strengths. In the OF, you've got 3 plus bats and at least 2 plus defenders - Marte is a borderline all star every year, McCutchen has won MVP awards, Polanco is 24, has gotten better every year, and had an above average bat last year. If his power develops as he ages he'll be an all star, so there's 3 borderline all stars and a guy who has been an MVP. That OF on paper is competitive for best in baseball. Their IF isn't filled with stars like their OF is, but Kang, Harrison, Freese, and Mercer are all 1-3 WAR players in a normal year. Decent defense, decent bats, fills in a fairly deep lineup when you have those 3 big OF bats. 1b has been a weak spot for them for years now, but Josh Bell pencils into that role nicely right now. Catcher - Cervelli again, not an all star, but a good strong catcher and handles a staff well. Their pitching rotation - Gerrit Cole is a legit number 1 starter, follow that by Taillon, Glasnow, and Kuhl and you have a young, strong, cheap starting rotation to pair with him. Bullpen has been a strength for years, and they've had an excellent record of both developing pitchers and of pulling out reclamation projects. What happened to them last year? Well first of all their pitching rotation got hurt and fell apart. Cole hit the DL, Liriano was terrible, that took a rotation that was near the top of the NL in 2015 down towards the bottom last year. They had to play a lot of rookies, the rookies have talent but you can only get so far with that young of a rotation. On top of that, McCutchen fell apart - that's the difference between being in the WC race and out of it right there, you don't replace an MVP who has a terrible year. With the young pitching they have, the only reason why that team can't be competitive with the Cubs and Cardinals again is if the same things happened this year. If McCutchen's career is really finished, then they're not competitive unless they trade him, and if Cole can't stay healthy then that does what Sale being hurt would have done to us - destroys them. That's a strong roster if a few things go well. Adding in Quintana could be a really good fit - if they're worried about injuries then add in the most reliable pitcher you can find into that #2 slot and you've made that rotation into as good of a rotation on paper as there is in that division, and if you could do it without subtracting Bell or anyone from the big league rotation by using Meadows as the key piece, then the baseball logic works. That doesn't guarantee they'll beat the Cubs, they need Cole to be healthy and McCutchen to be MVP caliber again to do that, but they would be a strong roster on paper and that's a good place to be. There are other ways to make that work if they got a full return for McCutchen also, so there's a good match on paper for that franchise. So, Balta, I know you're second (first?) team is the Bucs. What do you see as a fair trade for both sides? I see you included Bell in your lineup above, so I assume you think he's not going to be part of the package.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) He has very little power and you can't possibly expect his OBP numbers to stay at that level as he ascends through the minors. A guy with a 1:1 walk to k ratio in the minors is very exciting to me. Look, I'd rather have a Meadows / Bell based package, but Meadows / Newman wouldn't be too bad either. I don't see the Sox pulling the trigger without Meadows.