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Can someone post the link without the tweet? Here it is: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212680084/an...-prospect-poll/

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Nah the Sale deal was a player light. They should've been able to add Devers or EdRo (at least) to the deal they got and probably would have if they were reasonable with Boston at the deadline and not asking for Mookie Betts. Sale's value peaked at the deadline last year and unless he starts doing Kershaw things he'll never fully regain it. Sox, to their credit, didn't waste any time waiting for his value to deteriorate more and dealt him this offseason for probably 80ish% of what they would've gotten at the deadline. I'm not thrilled about it, but I'm not upset either. At least they didn't stubbornly stand firm another year and taken themselves out of the running for a Moncada-like headliner. All reports were that the Sox couldn't get Moncada or Benintendi in July, so not sure how they beat that offer without one of the other B's. Devers, yah, maybe they could have gotten him then - but without Moncada, you need much more than him to make it up.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) I'm just saying it may be disappointing to some if they really do intend to move him before spring training because there were a good amount of people on here that felt the Sale trade was a player off (myself included). Granted, it'll still be a great deal for us but not quite what we expect it to be. I am with ya there. I thought it was a player light as well, but see my previous post. Diminishing returns is a real thing.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Q's value will likely never be higher, but it is not likely to fade much either. Four full years on an under market contract is such crazy value that the market can't even really meet it. Plus, the other part is that other players' value is no sure thing to hold steady anyway, and pitchers like Glasnow could easily tumble. Any trade is a snapshot in time value wise. The big picture is my whole argument is predicated on the fact that the slam dunk elite offer is not being made anyway. If that kind of offer comes in, then you take it. If not, evaluate all scenarios. I think the bolded is the key. We saw this with Sale, and we may very well see it with Q if he's traded this offseason. Teams are only willing to give up so much. I think you can get the same for Q value-wise next offseason, or even in a year and half, as you can now. That doesn't mean you hold for the sake of holding, as there obviously is some risk there (but with Q its minimal), but you don't take a lesser package. You wait until your asking price (or at least what you realistically would take - see Sale trade), is met.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) If this is true, we all may be slightly disappointed with the haul. If they're intent on finishing a deal before camp opens, they will end up settling for best offer. Meh. RH has said this is going to take time. He is not going to settle on his 2nd best trade chip that has four years of cheap control. He just won't. He'll get what he wants this offseason, or wait until he does.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) If this is true, we all may be slightly disappointed with the haul. If they're intent on finishing a deal before camp opens, they will end up settling for best offer. Meh. RH has said this is going to take time. He is not going to settle on his 2nd best trade chip that has four years of cheap control. He just won't. He'll get what he wants this offseason, or wait until he does.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) And a worse defender and base runner. Melky will fetch a talented player or two, but they will almost certainly be highly flawed. We're on the same page.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 03:55 PM) Most comparable player I can compare Melky to who has been moved recently is Melvin Upton. He netted a 20 year old with back of the rotation appeal, and that's after the Padres picked up all by $5 million of Upton's salary. If that's all they can get for him come the deadline, then that's all they can get and is something they will do. Meh. Melky's OPS+ was 120 last year. BJ's was 84. They are about the same age and make about the same money, though BJ had 1.5 years still left on his deal and is owed $1.5M more than Melky this year. Not terrible comp, but Melky is a better bat.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 03:11 PM) He almost certainly wouldn't. If you're another team, you're basically just trading one risky asset (prospects) for another (young MLBer still figuring it out). Not sure that really makes sense. Unless another team is convinced Rodon is on the verge of being an ace and ponies up, Sox should hold him and build his value -- either to keep or trade down the road. Rodon may not have "figured it out" in the sense that he isn't quite a dominant ace and still has quite a bit of untapped potential. But you don't have to look very hard to find stats that paint him as a top 25 pitcher in the game already. The dude is really good.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) He's good, he'll probably out perform many inhouse options, but he's not good enough that teams aren't going to just squint at what they have and reason that they are better considering they don't cost 15 million + prospects. Yep, I agree. I think Melky is going to be on the Sox until June or July some time.

Rodon is going to be a star. They control him for 5 years. He keeps his head down and does his job. Zero percent chance he is traded this offseason.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) I don't see the sox as the worst team in baseball, or even bottom three, unless we deal Quintana and abreu. The padres rotation is terrible. The twins appear set on a weak season as well. Abreast, Cabrera,, Anderson, Frazier is enough of a lineup from being worst in the mlb Abreast always makes things better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Why would said team not just go sign Michael Saunders? That would probably be their first choice. Look, Melky doesn't have much surplus value, but let's not act like the guy is a scrub. We all know you hate him - you crusaded against him more than anything I have ever seen on a message board in 2015. But the dude can flat out hit. He is still a very good bat, but one with some baggage.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-...n-todd-frazier/ Pretty generic rumor. Prospect or two could is pretty vague. I expect the Sox would want one top 100 type guy for Frazier, plus another flyer.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) I would have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how it can even be remotely realistic for the Sox or anyone to think they can compete with the current roster that, with Sale and Eaton in tow, were unable to win more than 78 games in the past four years, and that was with stop gap measures in place. How can they now be expected to even get close to even 78 wins, never mind compete, without their best pitcher and position player, and with yet another set of additions of the stop gap variety. It doesn't compute. Maybe "catch lightning in a bottle" is the better phrase to use. But basically just see how things play out April-June, and then reassess. I don't think there is a good chance of that team being within 5 games of .500 in mid June, but crazier things have happened. At that point, you can still trade Melky / Frazier / Lawrie. If the offers suck now, there is a chance that their value increases by June when teams are desperate for infielders with good (Frazier) and average (Lawrie) bats. By June, Melky's commitment is a much more palatable ~$8M. Maybe he can be moved for a decent piece at that point. Trading them now for garbage that will never help the Sox doesn't do much for me. It's not like the Sox have a wealth of ML ready talent to take their spots outside of Saladino, who I still expect to get a good chunk of at bats as the super sub. Adding two of Colby Rasmus, Michael Sanders, Gregor Blanco, Rajai Davis, and Drew Stubbs would be cheap. One of Chris Carter, Ryan Howard, Adam Lind, Brandon Moss, Mike Napoli to DH. And add a Ryan Hanigan type to split the catching. None of those guys will be all that expensive. All will be on one year deals. If the Sox are way out of things in June (which they likely will be), they'll likely be trade bait and teams love short term commitments to useful players. I am not saying this is 100% the right way to go, but it is what I expect barring a Quintana trade, and I am OK with it. The team will actually be half ways decent to watch, and the team will be mostly dismantled in June and July when teams are desperate for upgrades. I think it makes a lot of sense in a market that has not developed for our short term bats. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) I think it some point they take last bids on Q, and trade him for the best offer. They have gone really far down the trade path with him, especially in public, for him to come back now. Even if they go into the season with a lot of those players, I don't see them adding to them in any significant way. I fully expect Abreu and Lawrie to be on the opening day roster. Q I think there is about 10% chance. Frazier is not much higher, though I see a disappointing return to move him. Melky I think will be on the roster, as no one will really want him. Call it a 75% chance at return. I just don't see the point in trading Quintana for the best offer right now, if the best offer isn't sufficient to the Sox. I don't think his value is going to decrease between now and a year from now. At some point, there is diminishing returns - I think saw that to some degree in the Sale trade, and I think you'd definitely see that in a Q trade. If someone bowls you over, by all means take the deal. But I think Rick is still in that mode. If the Q domino falls, then my thinking changes. At that point, the Sox pitching staff goes from OK to terrible, and at that point you may as well just take what you can get for Frazier, Melky and Lawrie before Opening Day.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) After the Sox trade Q and Robertson and Frazier or Melky, it's going to be really hard to be a White Sox fan. The team will absolutely suck, and next offseason there will be very little action. They will not have much to trade. They won't be signing big names. I'd be shocked if more than 1 of those four are traded prior to opening day at this point. In fact, I think they all stay.

As things currently stand, I think some of you guys are going to be disappointed with how the Sox play this. The offseason still has a long way to go. There are still a bunch of a FA available, which makes guys like Frazier / Melky / Lawrie more difficult to move. Perhaps once the FA pool continues to dwindle, we'll see a market develop for those guys, and they're ultimately moved. But if Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Abreu and Quintana are on the team in April, I fully expect the Sox to try to compete. Stop gap OF, DH and C signed. Still plenty of options for the first two. Lawrie plays everyday at 2B until he gets hurt or Moncada pushes him to bench. Saladino (if healthy) is the super sub. The young arms come up in June. Sox to reassess in late June, and move the impending FAs at that point if they're out of the race. Honestly, at this point, that is what I expect.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Why in the world would we even entertain trading Rodon before 2019? You wouldn't.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) I think the Pittsburgh deal is worse...Jones and Abreu to Pittsburgh and we don't one of their top 3 prospects? I don't like it either, but Keller is going to be up there with Meadows and Glasnow. Definitely top 25 type in updated rankings.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) What if quintana goes somewhere that isnt NYY or PIT but all the discussions ultimately send other players to those clubs. Just killing time, a scenario such as this feels nice: Q to Hou: Tucker, Martes, Reed, Cameron Rodon, Robertson to NYY: Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar Abreu, Jones to PIT: Newman, Keller, Hayes That Rodon trade is horrible. Plus, Rodon is going nowhere .

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Our system would be back to being razor thin though. Trout would hugely improve the White Sox the next four seasons, but unloading: Quintana, Moncada, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Dunning, Basabe and Diaz for one player would be absurd...even for Trout We would be giving up 6 seasons of control for most of those players Give me one or even two of Saunders, Alvarez, Moss, Lind, Valbuena, Howard or Morneau. They'll all be varying degrees of cheap and can be had on 1 year deals. Saunders pushing Melky to DH would be nice. Rasmus would be cool. Otherwise one of the other guys to DH would be fine. Valbuena to play 3B if Frazier is moved. If the Sox don't get an offer to their liking for Q, I could see an opening day roster line this: Anderson - SS Lawrie - 2B Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Melky - DH Saunders - LF Rasmus - CF Liriano / Avi - RF Narvaez / Some FA - C Q Rodon Shields Holland Covey for first two months then Fulmer, Giolito, Lopez That team would at least still be somewhat respectable. Sanders and Rasmus combined probably would cost somewhere between $15M-$20M.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) The Angels had 74 wins in 2016, and 2017 is not looking any better That team won't compete against the Astros, Rangers or Mariners Totally agree. They're in a very, very, very bad spot.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) With only two seasons of control? Give me the cheap prospect package for what the White Sox need right now Yes. Two years and $70M for Trout in 2 offseasons will be incredibly valuable.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) I don't really see any realistic Trout trade where they end up with better value than Trout is currently providing though. Yah, I suppose for now they can continue to try to scrap together a competitive team around him, but at some point they have to realized that they're never going to be very good over the next 4 years with him. Blowing away his prime like they are is just sad.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) That could be a recipe for even further disaster, overpaying past their prime players. Trading Trout would be a tough pill to swallow, but it might be necessary for the good of the franchise. Not sure which team would have enough to trade for him though? They pretty much have to trade Trout, IMO.