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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:09 PM) I'll take less in quantity if it means we get Urias in the deal. Urias, De Leon, Bellinger, Verdugo, Lux, and Puig. I honestly don't know how Urias wouldn't be involved. Sure, De Leon is solid, but he is already 24 turning 25 in the season without MLB experience. Same. I'd do this deal and I don't particularly like Dodgers as a trade partner for Sale, but if they offer the top 4, not sure you can say no. I would like to see Barnes a part of the deal though. That said, I don't think this will happen because it would go against what the Dodgers front office has done since taking over.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 04:35 PM) Well that s***s on his trade value for sure. Meh. He is only going to get about $500k to $1m raise this year versus what he would have gotten. If he rakes like he did the past 2 months of the season, he'll be getting raises in the next two years, but its not like his salary is going to skyrocket. On the plus side, it gives the Sox (or the acquiring team) a little more flexibility in that if he falls of a cliff or gets hurt, they can non-tender him and aren't stuck paying $12M per.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) The trade can be a blockbuster and good for sox and not just be a list of all of the top players under 24 in an organization. NEVER!

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Urias, Verdugo, Bellinger, De Leon, Puig for Sale, Frazier or no deal. If they don't want to give Puig then that's fine, he's really a throw-in. Keep Puig. Give me Lux and Barnes.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) Per Dan Hayes Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago Jose Abreu opted out of his guaranteed 3/$34 million deal w/ #WhiteSox and instead will go year by year in arb w/ them. Still Sox property. Positive to this is it may reinvigorate Jose. He's got something to play for again outside of his next contract. I've never really found that to be an issue with Jose, just worth mentioning.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Who else are we waiting on? Walker (who I think may take it or sign an extension with the Mets) and ? Edit: Hellickson is the last guy that I forgot about. Hellickson accepted his QO....so there goes one of the best couple arms on the FA market....to the Phillies. Only good news for the Sox.

Hmmm. Not really any disparaging comments towards the Sox, but interesting nonetheless.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Would it really "gut" their system though? Yes.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) +1 to this. Why should a guy consistently on the DL get the benefit of the doubt on this? Seems to me he's talking up trash on his way out. For those of us not on Twitter, what is he saying exactly?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) I really don't like the Dodgers as a landing spot for Sale from our perspective. Q, possibly, but not Sale. Agreed. Not enough offensive pieces. If you trade Sale to the Dodgers, pretty much have to trade Q and Jones to Boston for as much offensive talent as you can get. I assume they won't be trade Joc.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) Is Sale the only guy going though? I think you can hit on a Sale deal but they also need to then move Quintana, Cabrera, Robertson, Frazier and probably Abreu to make it worth trading. While discussing with teams they will all want Eaton and probably Jones. That is a lot of teams you need to deal impactful youth. If it is a money saving venture that the Sox are going after than moving those guys will be easy. Similar to the Ray Durham trade of years past for all but Quintana and Sale..... My personal guess is that in the end they will need to spend money on a bad contract or 2, trade Rodon and hope to compete. Lol, they are not trading Rodon.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 01:50 AM) BP Boston offered up this trade of Frazier in a recent post.... Todd Frazier and Nate Jones to the Red Sox for... C Blake Swihart SS Mauricio Dubon SP Henry Owens RP Williams Jerez Not a terribly exciting return, but I think it's probably a fair one. Swihart we all pretty much know, Henry Owens used to be a top prospect, Dubon is 22 and hit .339 this season in 62 games in AA (stole 30 bases combined between A+ and AA), and Jerez is just kind of a throw-in reliever. I would give a flat no on that deal for Jones alone. Adding Frazier makes it laughable.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) Why? Why do people think this? Everyone is reporting that they are rebuilding. We've been beat over the f***ing head with it and I keep seeing this. It's a stupid opinion based on KW still being around. Well to be fair, its all the Sox have done for the past ~15 years. I think they'll rebuild (because they'd be fools not to), but I guess I won't really believe it until I see it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) He looks like a HS kid, and I am sure his source was whitesoxdave Who has basically said he has nothing, correct?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) I thought someone had something since the title of the thread changed. Other than that Rob Hill guy (who is he?), I haven't seen it confirmed. Don't doubt it is in the works, but still seems odd.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) If this is pretty much official, it is the first domino in a rebuild. It isn't like Lawrie was due a ton of money. It isn't like Saldino has been the picture of health during his career and is actually older than him. I liked his energy, and power. everything considered, it probably isn't a huge loss because he had the one year anyway. But I don't think I would have punted. I think it is far from official with no word from the Sox. Perhaps they've alerted him that they plan to move on, although that would seem like a dumb move as it takes away any degree of leverage they had in trade talks.

Surprised they couldn't get even an A ball lottery ticket.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) This thread is being adjusted to purely post actual happenings. NO discussion to happen in this thread. I.e., if a player signs, feel free to put somethig in here, but if you want legitimate discussion, please establish a new thread. BRING BACK THE CATCHALLS!

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) I haven't heard much either. I had heard hes missing most of next season as well. Maybe the Trib is just clueless? No surgery needed. I doubt he is expected to miss most of next season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) If you're rebuilding, you go out and sign someone like Valbuena or Hill to play 3b in the case that a Sale or other player trade does not bring back a valid 3b option. Or you play Lawrie or Saladino there. Tyler needs to be in the lineup everyday if the Sox aren't going for it.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) One mid level prospect. Maybe like a slightly higher ranked Charlie Tilson. Hahaha, waaaa?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Abreu had a s***ty first half last year, but put up a wRC+ of 142 & a .898 OPS in the second half. I don't think you can look at his 2016 numbers in aggragate and value him as a player. He's not the same guy he was during his rookie year, but he's still a premium hitter and is under team control for three seasons at what should be a well below market rate if he bounces back to a 3 WAR type player. In this market, there should be at least one team willing to pony up for him. If not, he's a guy who might be worth holding onto until the trade deadline and allowing his trade value to bounce back. Well stated.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I feel like trading Lawrie is unneccessary. He isn't expensive, he won't net you back anything franchise altering, and he is a low-chance lottery ticket to improve his value. Yah, I think the reason is more-so to give Saladino the 2B job. I guess if Frazier is traded, either Lawrie or Saldino could play 3B. Either way, Tyler should be in the lineup if this team isn't going for it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) He was simply horrible last year on defense. Since he debuted, he's the worst defensive 1b in baseball according to def fWAR (Alvarez is worse but no longer playing in the field) Hmm. Thanks for sharing. Didn't realize the advanced stats hated him THAT much. The eye test would say he is mediocre defensive 1B, but clearly the stats say otherwise.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) His value you should be similar to EE and he may get a 5 year $125 million deal. Yup - Abreu still has a great deal of value around the league IMO.