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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I disagree. We will find out most likely. Me too. Probably not worth a top 50 prospect, but I bet he can get someone towards the back end of the top 100. Otherwise they won't trade him.

Just continues to mash. Get this man his son full-time!!!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 7, 2016 -> 12:25 PM) He mentioned Melky, Robertson, Frazier, and Lawrie's contracts expiring soon. I would imagine they may be the first lined up out the door. Although if they do trade Frazier, I would hang on to Lawrie. He isn't going to bring much back, and has had nice stretches this year. You could put him at 3B, and hope he plays well enough to flip at the deadline if they aren't winning. It would really be radical to trade Sale and Q. I would imagine that is not the plan unless they get an offer they can't turn down. This, and rightfully so, but how can you really rebuild without trading those guys? Trade the supporting cast of Melky, Frazier, Lawrie, Robertson and Gonzalez? Sure, but that isn't going to bring in a boatload of talent. And if you're going to trade those guys away, you're going to suck, and waste yet another year of Sale and Q's control. Since the core of this team is still together next year, I was all for one more band-aid approach year, but I get that starting it this winter is probably for the best. But that has to include moving Sale, Q, or both. May as well move Eaton and Abreu too. Jose's value I am sure has skyrocketed the last 2 months. Dude is back to being an absolute beast.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) I was hoping they'd try one more time and if it failed, start selling next July. Oh well. This is pretty much what I've been saying since June, but if you can get meaningful peices for Melky and Frazier it's hard not to move them. Problem is, I just can't see the Sox trading any of Sale, Q, Eaton or Abreu and it's hard to rebuild without doing that. But if they do move those guys, they're gonna be bad for awhile. Obviously Rodon and Anderson are going no where. It's just hard to figure out what they'll do. I actually ran into RH in the concourse of Target Field last Thursday about 40 minutes before first pitch. Rick, my dad and I chatted for probably 5 minutes. Super duper nice guy by the way. He pretty much said to us that they need to turn the page this offseason and they can't wait to get started. Obviously wouldn't give specifics but I felt like a rebuild was obvious from his comments. Strangely, we actually ran into him again as we were exiting the park after the game. He was standing by the exit texting on his phone, blending right in with the crowd. I patted him on the shoulder and said can't wait till next year - and he nodded and said stick with us boys. It was a really cool experience for a guy like me that's grown up a die hard due to my dad but never lived in Chicago or had the opportunity to be up close with Sox management. Funny enough, I actually shook Robin Venturas hand earlier this year in Macy's in a downtown MPLS skyway. Right place at the right time a couple times this year - pretty cool experience. Robin was nice too, but far less willing to engage in conversation; that said, I was more excited to meet RH - the mans got my dream job!

I really hope Robin isn't the manager next year. Anyone else, please.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 01:57 PM) I still think Fulmer and Naquin would have the edge right now and maybe Sanchez plays into the race if he sparks a NYY playoff run, but isn't Tim Anderson right there with these guys? From everything I can tell, Naquin's numbers are inflated by an incredibly high BABIP while Fulmer's peripherals aren't nearly as shiny as his ERA would have you believe. If Anderson has a solid September, I see no reason why he couldnt win ROY this year. Between who you mentioned, and also Mazara, Kepler and Cuthbert, I don't think Timmy will win it. But he very well may finish top 3 in voting with a good finish.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Who exactly is going to trade for Shields? Someone do doesn't want to pay $12-15M AAV for the likes of Brett Anderson, Clay Bucholz, Andrew Cashner, Jeremy Hellickson, Derek Holland, Rich Hill, etc. Shields will be tough to move, but if the Sox are willing to give him away (I suspect they will be), I bet he could be moved including much cash. $10M AAV is below the going rate for a back rotation innings eater.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) I still would be surprised if Garcia was non-tendered, flat out doing that, letting him go reflects badly on the front office since he was the "centerpiece" of their first major deal under Hahn. I think he needs to go, absolutely...but the Sox won't just release him / give him away. Mark Front offices don't think this way, at least not after several years.

QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/kapos-ceo...eed-rates-name/ Victor Ciardelli III, CEO of 'guaranteed Rate' was interviewed by the Chicago Sun-Times, and his photo appears today on the front page of the newspaper. Victor is a lifelong Chicagoan and huge sports fan. Unlike most CEO's who get paid tens of millions of dollars for not doing much work, Victor built 'guaranteed Rate' on his own, a company with 1,300 employees. The 2nd part of your bolded comment is comically inaccurate.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) So, I noticed some things I thought I'd share. The first is that Abreu prior to 2016 had roughly a career .340 BABIP. For the first half of 2016, his BABIP was .314, nearly 30 points below his career mark to that point. Thus far in the second half of 2016, he has a much closer to career norm .343 BABIP, which suggests to me that the .319 AVG, .897 OPS, .200 ISO, 142 wRC+ Jose Abreu that has been hitting on the second half of this season is more likely the hitter we should expect long term. Meh. That might be part of it, but if you watched a lot of the Sox early in the year, you could just tell that Jose was off. Not squaring the ball up, grounding out alot, not hitting for power, not turning on the inside pitch, etc.

That's pretty bad, but still better the O.co.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) People were talking about him as a return for Quintana last year. That's still on the table right? Like, most of Soxtalk. Never understood that one.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) Exactly. 5 extra wins puts them at 65-59. And very much still alive. Its frustrating, because it is so easy to identify 5 games (plus) the Sox should have won this year. But, that's baseball.

Don't look now, "HeGone7".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) From the same link The Rangers weren’t able to swing a deal for any of the big-name starters they pursued, but that’s in part due to the asking prices they received. The Rays asked the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and other pieces in exchange for Matt Moore, while "]Rougned Odor’s name was suggested by the Rays in Chris Archer talks and by the White Sox in talks for Chris Sale. Glad to hear RH was insisting on Odor's inclusion in talks with Rangers. Means Gallo, Mazara, Odor was starting point.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Honestly though, it still doesnt validate how DA lumps a few peoples opinion to cover the span of the entire board population. He does this often. You just did it to but I am not going to make it seem like there are a bunch of posters that do that. I said plenty, which is more than a couple, which is accurate. You just did what you're accusing us of. Ironic.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Uh, Shipps? Like clockwork.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) LOL DA you know damn well anybody that would do that just doesnt know baseball. I havent even seen anybody to say that and if you did you cant paint the picture as if there are a group of people that believe that. You are being overly dramatic as usual. Oh, theres been plenty of that suggested around these parts past several weeks.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) I didn't think much else needed to be said. You suggested Carlos Gomez and wished upon a star for Abreu to "bounce back." Wow. Best of Luck. I didn't suggest it as if that is what I would do regarding Gomez. I said that patchwork acquisitions in CF, C and DH - which is basically what the Sox did last offseason - are likely for 2017 when looking at the composition of the roster, in which case Gomez will definitely be a target in CF. That said, I actually don't think Gomez would be all that bad of idea if thats the route they go. Better than spending nearly $100M on a mediocre player in Reddick and moving Eaton back to CF. As for Abreu, he had a horrible April, a bad may, a great June, a bad July, and so far an awesome august. Over the last month his OPS is .855. Since June 1, his OPS is around .800. Definitely not the player he was in 2014, but 2016-version of Abreu is still a well above average bat that remains a great bargain on his contract. I don't think it is completely out of the question to expect him to have a better year next year. But you're right, expecting that is wishing upon a star. GMAFB.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) Wow. Best of luck. ENLIGHTENING POST!!!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) While I definitely appreciate your opinion and the thought you put into this post, I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with all of it. If you think this organization is going to sell off pieces next trade deadline if they're around .500, you're just fooling yourself my friend. Then they're dumber than I think they are. I know most Sox fans just generally think this FO is run by people who have no idea what they're doing, but that's obviously not the case. If the Sox are like 2-3 games under, perhaps. But if they suck balls, they're going to sell off pieces, because otherwise they're getting nothing for all that stuff that leaves via FA for nothing. This season (and 2015 for that matter) are vastly different situations than they'll be in 2017.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) I have no idea how you could possibly come to this conclusion. Pretty simple really. Let's say the Sox do some patchwork acquisitions to fill CF, C and DH this offseason like many suspect....signing Carlos Gomez, Jason Castro, and resigning Morneau, for instance. Then the Sox are under .500 come mid-July 2017...they're going to trade off pieces. Beyond those three that presumably would have been signed to one year deals you have.... Melky, Frazier and Lawrie who are all FAs after next year. Trading those three alone (in addition to the patchworks acquisitions) completely changes the complexion of the roster. Gonzales would be moved with only a few months of control left. Shields if someone would take on what the Sox owe him. Robertson will be moved. You're going to get the same type of package for Sale and/or Q next July as you would have this July, but you actually get 30 more starts out of those guys (why I was never for trading them to begin with). It still may be hard to get max value with pitchers of that skill level with 2.5 and 3.5 years of control still left, though. Guessing they'll still be held onto until winter following 2017. At that point, what is left? No reason to trade Rodon or Anderson. They should keep Eaton around as hes very good and cheap. Maybe Abreu will have a big bounce back year and will be worth a ton again, if not, keep him as he's still a value. Selling next season always made more sense than this season, IMO. With so many contracts coming off the books after 2017, it made sense to give it one shot.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) I shouldn't have said bind. But they operate where they struggle to put a team around him yet have the guy who can bring back close-to-MLB pieces to plug a few spots is what I'm referring to. They don't have anything else to move to bring in talent to help the MLB team. They have a few in the minors, but trading those guys would hurt. There are definitely other pieces that could be moved that would help. But then you hurt the MLB team. I get what you're saying tho. Sox are gonna give it one more go around in 2017 - if it fails, I guarantee you this team is completely ripped down next July.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) Horrible bind to be in considering how they struggle to put a good team around him. Some other nice pieces to have but overall blah. Since when is having one of the best pitchers in the game locked up for 3.25 seasons at about 20% of his annual value a bind?

This is a good move. He needs more time in the minors.