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QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) If these are their only upgrades I don't feel confident. Despite the contract being absurd, if we actually "are in" the Encarnacion sweepstakes I will have a hard time resisting. One of my favorite baseball players in the league. Maybe not, but spending big money on a mediocre player in Reddick or a old dh in Encarnacion doesn't excite me with everything that is coming off the books after 2017.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) Let's start a gofundme page! Let's do this! I got 5 on it.

Give me Carlos Gomez, resign Morneau, and trade for Derek Norris. Add a few solid bullpen arms and go to battle. If they suck again next year, blow the whole thing up.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) They are definitely looking at this buy low candidate. He was almost a 100 mil player before he tanked this year. If nothing more than a tryout for next year - why the heck not.

I'd take him. Better than JB Shuck, and would add some more fire to this squad.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) I have no idea what the hell they are trying to prove...unless they made him a promise when they signed him. I am guessing this is the case.

I'd be down. Still need a competent CF and C, though.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) How has he looked so far in the minor leagues? I thought I saw where at first he was struggling. Mark That is because you only pay attention to negative things.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) If I'm Hahn, I put Shields on waivers. And your 2017 rotation would indicate the Sox are going with perennial failure mode. No thanks. I assure you that Shields has been on (or is on) waivers, and has likely cleared. The $ the Pads sent with him wouldn't be netted off his contract if someone claimed him, meaning no one will. However, I don't think Shields is untradable. His last two starts have sucked, but I think the Sox can definitely move him this month or offseason without eating additional cash - don't know that they'll get much.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Carlos Gomez is worse than Shuck. Castro hits like Flowers. The same kind of players we've had here ad nauseum. I guess that's the point...the fix is no fix. Oh the Sox could give up a draft choice for Fowler (we'll show those cubbies!), make a trade for a mediocre starter and catcher. the same kind of moves that look reasonable on paper and make people think that the Sox have a chance. And it will have the same results...significantly hurt the organization, similar to Rick Hahn's moves over the last 2+ years. Carlos Gomez is a year removed from being an elite player. I actually think he'd be a great move on a one year deal with an option.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) So far he seems to hit exactly as one would expect from his minor league #s suggest. Upon casual observation his defense looks good enough to play SS. However, Stony was on B&B the other day and said the Sox should work him in CF as he didn't know if he could play SS. I dunno what Stony is seeing but he knows the game better than I do. His bat doesn't play in CF IMO. Really? I think he has looked pretty good at SS - better than I envisioned for sure.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) That's Hahn. His acquisitions have all been ass with the exception of Melky and Robertson. Yah that Adam Eaton trade...pure ass.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 05:37 PM) Is there any sort of return-policy or take-backs on the Duke trade that we can call upon? Probably not, but the Marlins did trade Rea back to the Pads after he got hurt first game w his new club. What a shame.

Eaton RF Anderson SS Cabrera LC Abreu 1B Morneau DH Frazier 3B Navarro C Tilson CF Saladino 2B 6:10 CT first pitch. Go Sox. How about a sweep!?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) Doesn't make a difference when you put them on. Once they're cleared, you can negotiate with anyone. And if you can always take guys back and put them back through if they're claimed anyway. Problem is, no one besides Shields is going to clear waivers on this team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) I also wouldn't be surprised if a player or 2 is dealt this month. Maybe that will ease some pain. The Sox could get another Leury Garcia or 2 and the rebuild will be well underway. This. The Sox weren't about to rebuild by trading Melky or Robertson at their price. They would have gotten something that is perhaps close to ML ready, but not super exciting. Nothing that is going to turn this franchise around. Had they moved Sale and/or Q, I would have been fine getting what they could for Melky, Frazier and Robertson, but for now, it makes more sense to try to compete with those guys, because the returns were not going to move the needle at all.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Ok, so, in other words, we should deliberately lose in the hopes of landing....Gordon Beckham, right? No, s***. The chips will fall where they may, and I can guarantee the Sox aren't trying to lose. How about we deliberately try to win and make this thing interesting instead.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) I would scoop him off waivers in a second. Maybe he's in the same boat as Abreu and has been figured out, but at age 26, I'll easily take a chance at 2 year, $17.5 million. That's not much in today's game. This. It is very unlikely he makes it to the Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Yes I do. Besides, the White Sox aren't as bad as most want to make them. They are right around .500. You would think reading most posts, they are a 120 loss team. And everyone they could have traded yesterday to make people happy, they can trade after the season. I was disappointed they didn't make any moves, but I want them to get better and win. The amount of fans pissed off they think the Sox will try to win next year is crazy. These same people, if the Sox traded everyone away and had guys like Shuck and Coats playing everyday, would still be complaining. It's what they love to do. Just look at their posts. Even when the Sox win they aren't happy. Yep

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) I don't see him clearing waivers. A team like the Yankees and Red Sox would definitely claim in hopes of Sox letting him go. In otherwords, Robertson isn't being moved until the offseason (if at all). Exactly. There is virtually no chance of Robertson clearing waivers. The dude has a pretty fair contract today, everything considered. I suppose someone may claim him and the Sox could work out a deal, but they're not just gonna give him away, and I doubt they'd eat $ to trade him, unless something special is coming back.

I'd take a flyer on Puig. I thought a Shields - Puig swap made some sense.

I'd rather win.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 08:19 AM) I'm bored too -- I get it, I really do. But if you take a step back and look at the situation and the options, the roster is built to push through 2017. I have no doubt that Hahn considered changing that course after his "mired in mediocrity" statement, but I have to assume that teams were not willing to pay up. Rather than make a bad deal simply for the sake of changing something, there's an argument to be made to let things play out. I'm sure he could have moved some relievers and role players, but if the returns aren't meaningful, there's value in retaining the flexibility of competing in 2017 into this offseason, where I have no doubt that he'll try to see what he can get out of Sale/Quintana again. For those asking "what can possibly be done to improve the team's chances in 2017," it starts with Abreu being Abreu, Frazier being Frazier, and Rodon finally turning into Rodon. Those guys have been bad, but there doesn't appear to be any physical reason, and the reality is just that sometimes guys have bad years. Remember when David Ortiz was cooked? Remember when Carlos Beltran was useless? Remember when it was ridiculous to acquire John Lackey? There are a ton of examples of teams giving up on good players only to see them flourish later, often elsewhere. We're all real good at coming up with convenient ad hoc explanations like "toxic clubhouse" or "new training program" or "obvious contract year effort" and other unsubstantiated, random crap, but when we do that, we're ignoring the fact that baseball is a competition where two really good players are doing everything they can to stop the other from succeeding, and no matter how much talent there is, one of them ALWAYS has to lose. Team sports aren't just coming in and pushing buttons -- sometimes you simply get beat. If any those players simply did what was reasonably expected, we'd probably be a couple games over .500. If ALL of them simply did what they were reasonably expected, we'd be in the thick of the playoff hunt. Is the consistent disappointment of the team a systemic problem of the organization? Maybe. But if you're Rick Hahn, you're not going to fire yourself. You're going to do what ALL of us do every day: you're going to assume you're capable of doing your job, and make the best decision you can given the hand in front of you. It's totally fair to be disappointed and upset -- I am too. But the decision to hold onto controllable assets into this offseason is absolutely a defensible decision, even if it's boring and feels bad. It very well may turn out to be the wrong one (assuming the offers on the table were what we think), and you certainly DON'T have to like it or agree with it, but it's a far cry from obvious incompetence. In case anyone doesn't know about it, this is an awesome resource for when you want to start taking stock of the offseason: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GZ9...pub?output=html Note the contracts that come off the books after next season: Melky, Frazier, Lawrie, Gonzalez. If we fail next year, all those guys will be hot deadline chips. Shields and Robertson will each have ~1.5yr/~$15m remaining, and will also be good chips if they're pitching well. Jones and Jennings will still have multiple years of control remaining. Sale and Quintana will be essentially JUST as valuable, but the team will be in a clearer position to sell. And that's IF we fail. Those aforementioned bouncebacks could get us most of the way to contention, and I'm assuming Avisail Garcia will FINALLY be non-tendered, so we may just have a shot. The offseason shopping list is clear and achievable: catcher, first base/DH, corner OF. Great post! This is exactly what I have been trying to say for a couple weeks now, but you killed it. Well done. While it may be a bit boring, holding pat was the right thing to do if you weren't going to trade one of Sale / Q. While it is a broken record, patching CF and C next offseason, maybe grabbing a good bullpen arm or two, and hoping Frazier and Abreu remember how to be elite sluggers, this is a playoff team. Making trades to make trades isn't wise, and while we all felt a little jaded yesterday, it was probably the right move.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 PM) From Whitesoxdave FWIW I was told the #WhiteSox turned down a Benintendi, Kopech, Johnson/Ball, and PTBNL package for Quintana from #RedSox Meh. Only two players that that excite me. Kopech as the 2nd piece is unacceptable, IMO. Glad they didn't take that deal.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Not surprised one iota that we kept Sale and Q . Look what the Yankees got for Chapman for a a rental. Then figure the time Sale and Q have left and no matter what the return we got it wouldn't be enough. We can still get productive cheap years from them and then trade them for a haul if they stay healthy. Maybe we see Shield or Gonzales moved later but if you look at how we entered this season with the 4 and 5 spots in turmoil and look at how the top 5 are pitching now the Sox could have a pretty good rotation next year especially if Shields and Gonzo finish as strong as they have been pitching lately. Let's say Jerry opens up the checkbook , long shot I know, but the lack of moves could be tied to Jerry saying something like that. Even though it's a thin free agent class there is still going to be some quality that could help the Sox. Cespedes( if he opts out), Reddick, Kenley Jansen, Lucroy ,Dexter Fowler, Ian Desmond. Add some OBP ,power and relief pitching and all of a sudden you have a team with direction . Maybe Melky and Robertson get moved in the offseason to free up some money. Just sayin' things CAN get better. I agree w what yore saying. But Lucroy and Dexter have team options that will certainly be exercised.