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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) I think there is no chance the Red Sox trade both JBJ & Benintendi for Sale. They're simply not going to create two holes in their outfield. Meh. If we gave them Melky back that fills one hole. They have Brock Holt. They can always sign a FA. We're talking about one of the best 3 pitchers in the game here. We have the leverage. It's going to have to be painful for the Red Sox.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) JBJ, Benintendi, Rodriguez, Devers and Kopech for Sale. Let the Red Sox keep Moncada, trade Devers who would then be blocked. Gives Sox Sales replacement in rotation in Rodriguez and another high upside arm in Kopech. Melky goes to DH. Sox OF defense is fantastic. That team could compete without Sale and signing a big time FA. Could even give them Melky in that deal if it gets it done. Resign Morneau or some other LH 1B/DH type. Id obviously prefer to keep Melky if they'd do that deal without him. Boston is going to want to make a big splash when they get swept today. Think this is a real possibility.

JBJ, Benintendi, Rodriguez, Devers and Kopech for Sale. Let the Red Sox keep Moncada, trade Devers who would then be blocked. Gives Sox Sales replacement in rotation in Rodriguez and another high upside arm in Kopech. Melky goes to DH. Sox OF defense is fantastic. That team could compete without Sale and signing a big time FA.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) I hope the Red Sox sign him. Gotta replace the power somewhere. Or sign Desmond or Reddick. Then they deal us Benintendi in a deal to strengthen their rotation. The Red Sox are going to lose this series and be desperate. I think Benintendi, Moncada plus is a real possibility for Sale.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) Not really. They had the same fWAR but Avila did so with less than 2/3 the PAs that Flowers had. Avila was clearly the superior player when healthy this year. Which is saying something....

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) I don't believe he would have a draft pick attached to him if he chooses to opt out. I don't think that makes him eligible for a QO. Is that the case for sure? Seems to me more players would demand opt outs if it got them out of the QO.

MAde more sense last year when the Sox had a) a protected pack and b) Cespedes didn't have draft pick compensation tied to him. I just cannot see the Sox forfeiting the #12 pick all things considered.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 09:21 AM) I completely disagree. He's rebuilding. He's talked about how Sox fans are ready for it. He also said that "they've tried the adding FA route" to patch it together. Key word there is "tried". They don't have the pieces to move. He's also talked about how it's a poor free agent class. I'd be stunned if they gave up the 12th pick in the draft to sign a free agent as well. I think Sale gets moved early in the offseason and they go from there. I think you're probably right. I just hope Rick sticks to his guns on what he wants. No settling for Chris Sale. We need a g'damn ransom.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) No big surprise there. First year in forever that he was healthy, and he just fell on his face. Yah, he sucks.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 07:22 AM) Boston will not want Sale now that Porcello has emerged to join Price at the top of the rotation. They will want a 3-4 starter and bullpen pieces. They will probably trade Holt, Young or Shaw w some 2nd tier prospects to fill the few holes they have. They did move Moncada to 3B and Devers is behind him so they could move one of them if needed. Non sense. Every team in baseball "wants" Chris Sale. Rick friggin Porcello doesn't change that. Now only a few teams have what it takes to get him, and maybe they aren't willing to match that price, but that doesn't mean they don't want him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) It's still the same problem the White Sox have...they're not going to have enough offense if they trade Sano/Kepler AND they're not going to be able to afford to keep Dozier by signing him to an extension. Buxton played really well the second half and is untouchable in the sense his value is still lower than it was a year ago, where 75% of it is still potential, like the White Sox return would be for Carlos Rodon today. Let's say the offer was Sano, Berrios and Kepler/Rosario but no Buxton? That's going to do too much damage to their major league roster on the offensive side and only gives you a short window with the unaffordability going forward with Dozier. Sano, Berrios, and Kepler is a nice start, but they'd need to add more. Maybe a Kohl Stewart and Alex Kirilloff. I'd want Buxton as a part of any deal. Rosario sucks. Santana, Gibson, Hughes, May and Taylor Rogers are likely to be the rotation. In Rogers, they have their own potential hopes for a Sale-like breakout. It's a rotation that's still a bit short even with a Sale or Q inserted. No idea where you're getting your "sale-like breakout from Taylor Rodgers. That is comical stuff. And yes, their rotation would still suck. And you're missing Santiago. Isn't Suzuki a free agent? Yes. And that affects this how? Their lineup will be catcher, Buxton, Mauer, Dozier, Vargas, Grossman (will he repeat?), Polanco, Kepler/Rosario and Sano. If you believe that Vargas and Grossman are for real, maybe...but that lineup comes up short without Sano IMO. Do you honestly trust Kintzler as closer on a competitive team? Not sure what you're trying to convince me of here other than looking at MLB.com and listing off 75% of their roster. I don't think the Twins are good or will be good anytime soon. But they definitely aren't going to be good running out #5 or AAAA pitchers every 4/5 days. I just don't see a match because Berrios has some serious warts, they won't trade Buxton and Sano together, and they're going to try to push Kepler/Plouffe/Rosario/Vargas to the Sox as the third part of the deal...leaving it Sano, Berrios and Rosario for Sale. Who makes that particular trade? Even sending Nate Jones along doesn't get you Buxton...I just think there's too much downside risk for the Twins to trade Buxton and Sano together for a three year window when that would create too many other holes they don't have the payroll to fill, starting with the expected loss of Dozier after 2017 or 2018 (unless they sign him to an extension, his arbitration numbers will be huge based on this season.) For the third or fourth time - I don't think they'll trade these guys. It was just an idea of a team that would theoretically have the bullets that needs pitching. Lol - comments above.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) Polanco was the name...I knew a P was in there somewhere. At any rate, they still don't have a SS unless Nick Gordon undergoes an amazing transformation. Right. Polanco is their SS. He's a back end top 100 guy and they like him. If you think they need a SS more than SP, I don't know what to tell you, but clearly you're not up to speed with their needs. I don't disagree that the Twins are unlikely to move Buxton/Sano/Berrios but again, its a team with interesting young offensive pieces that badly needs pitching. With an outsider now running the front office, perhaps he won't be as married to their prospects as the previous regime was. If they don't trade for controllable top of the rotation pitching, they're never going to get it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) Trading Buxton or Sano makes as much sense as the Sox dealing Anderson or Rodon. They need a good young SS more than they need to overpay for Sale or Q. Someone like Jean Segura was available to nearly every team in baseball for almost nothing...they went with Florimon/Escobar/Santana instead. At best, they'd offer Berrios (if they have, in fact, soured on him) and Kepler, who they'd be selling high on...and then one other piece, but an obvious match doesn't exist. The main problem is Sale would be leaving too early for their contention window, and Q just isn't returning the premium package because he's worth more to the Sox than other teams. As it is, they have to figure out how to pay Dozier and what to do with Plouffe. Pedro Florimon hasn't played for the Twins since 2014 when he had 70 ABs. I agree that the Twins probably won't trade Buxton or Sano, but they need pitching and they have peices to trade to get it. The Twins think they're closer to contention than you do (I tend to agree they're still a long way away), but again, that's mainly due to their horrific pitching. Like I said, probably not a fit there, but it's an out of the box trade partner whose needs match up.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) A big problem with rebuilding this offseason is that a lot of the best prospects in the game right now are in rebuilding organizations. You can sit there and hope the Red Sox will trade a package of Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, etc., but they don't need to trade for pitching. The Dodgers don't really need to either honestly. The good teams have insulated themselves so they don't have to overpay. I dont see a ton of guys out there right now that are going to come up and be no doubt offensive studs. Would you trade a guy like Q to the Pirates for a deal centered around Austin Meadows maybe? Do you really foresee the Yankees trading a bunch of the guys they just acquired for an ace? This looks like a really bad situation the Sox are in. Hope Jerry is ready to break open that piggy bank. You rarely see huge trades amongst division rivals but you have to wonder if the Twins would get involved in Sale or Q bidding. They need pitching in a MAJOR way and have the bullets. Some of their top prospects/young players have lost a bit of their glimmer, but that may even help the Sox. Buxton, Sano, Berrios, Kepler, etc...plus some of the younger pieces that are still in the minors. Twins never going to be able to spend to acquire top of the rotation FAs so this would be a way. Twins had 5.40 ERA from their starters this year.. Long shot for sure, but an interesting trade partner.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) It's not like they want to throw him out. It's just if a team wants to deal with the Sox for one of our two lefties, they would rather deal Sale. I don't argue with this at all. Just arguing that he is not a "clubhouse cancer". I think trading Sale over Q is the right move if you're just moving one for multiple reasons. I would, however, probably move both if you move one.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Are you sure that everyone in the clubhouse likes him? Would you like him causing a media sh*tstorm for your team and destroying your jersey with scissors? I doubt they gave a s*** about their jerseys. He's clearly a bit of a hothead, but his performance on the field far outweighs a few temper tantrums. Hell just a few weeks ago Rodon said (I am paraphrasing)..the Sox would be complete idiots to trade away Chris. I have learned a ton from him and he is one of the best pitchers in baseball. I obviously wouldn't expect one of his understudies to say he's a complete asshat and I hope he's traded, but I think the media took an easy story to run with and did just that. Chris is fine clubhouse guy that just wants to win.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) Maybe the players don't, but what about management? Who gives a s*** what the suits think? He's not a clubhouse cancer in the traditional sense if the guys in the clubhouse like him. He may be a pain in KW's ass, but that doesn't make him a cancer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) Rodon should absolutely be a trade chip if you are unloading everyone Rodon is they type of guy you'd be hoping to get in deals. Trading him makes no sense. He has FIVE years of control left. Sale - 3 years Q - 4 years Rodon - 5 years

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) That makes sense, especially since Sale is the power pitcher than many covet, he's something of a clubhouse cancer, and he's under team control for one season less than Q. I really, really, really don't think the Sox players view Chris as a clubhouse cancer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) If they go for it, I fully expect Carlos Gomez in CF I'd be fine with GoGo in CF even if they aren't clearly going for it. He's going to be relatively cheap, the man can go it in CF (or at least could), keeps Eaton in RF, and perhaps gives you a nice trade chip if he bounces back. He's OPSing .900 with Texas. I think he makes a ton of sense, outside of the fact he doesn't walk much (prior to SSS in Tex).

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) No, Urias is under control for 6 years I believe, a lot more team friendly situation even compared to Q. If I'm being honest with myself, I'd ask what is my biggest need right now if I'm the Dodgers. They probably need a 2 or a 3 right now, which they have the cash to go sign without losing a top prospect. They just need Urias to fill in as the 4th and 5th starter next season and soon enough he'll grow into that 2/3 they're missing. And if I'm rebuilding the Sox, I'd definitely take Urias for Q straight up. I am glad you're not the GM.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) I used to be a huge pro-Hahn guy, but the Rollins/Latos/Navarro signings as starters on a "contender" were pretty horrible. Part of me thinks/hopes that KW was behind those moves. Hard to get too upset over signing three guys for a combined ~$7M. None were great signings, but they also weren't the Sox problem. I also think Rollins played a huge role in mentoring Anderson, which was well worth the $1M they paid him.

I haven't watched a full game in a couple weeks. Probably the first time I can say that in season in over a decade. Interest is at an all time low for me - but I still love my Sox, catch a few innings here and there, and always watch the highlights. Can't wait to see what this winter brings.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) I'd rather they hire the right guy. Hell Ventura was young. So was Ozzie. I made it pretty clear that I'd be fine if they went outside of the organization. If they do, I just prefer it to be a younger guy. Kepler would be great. Even though they aren't necessarily fully out of the organization, Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar would be cool with me. I'd also like to see someone with some fire. The Sox have been some damn boring the last few years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) For a manager, there is no such thing as "long" term. 10 years for any manager is a minor miracle. Their shelf life is typically 3 to 5 years anymore. Meh. If you hire a young guy, and it works out there is at least a chance of that. Hiring some old guy who would rather be sipping drinks on a beach somewhere in a few years isn't what the Sox need.