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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) Can someone with insider access please summarize the Bowden suggested trades please? The link is referred above but here it is again: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-of...r/post?id=12715 ITs terrible. DOn't bother reading. Sox would accept none of this proposed trades, nor should they.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Some of these suggestions are ridiculous. If Robertson was somehow made a free agent now, what would his contract be? More than it is currently, in all likelihood. But I agree with your point - the Sox aren't getting Giolito for Robertson. lol

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I'll take elite prospects - Urias, Moncada, for sure; Bregman and the Pirates guys maybe. Proven talent like Mazzara or Profar doesn't do much for me. They aren't that great (or at least they haven't played that way yet). Betts is a different story, but that won't hapen. The bolded comment is just hilarious. Those guys are hardly proven. I'm not a huge fan of Profar being a headerliner in a Sale or Q trade, but that is because he is only controlled for 3 years. That isn't the case with Mazara.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) This year has the benefit of 3-4 teams that have graduated a lot of successful talent that has a group of top prospects behind them. Sale?Q are obviously going to be targeted by a great team already, one that puts them over top. The other top farm systems are relying on those guys to get them over the top. WE don't know what next year looks like. This is true - definitely one of the benefits to moving one or both of those guys now.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) Lol we'll never learn will we? People were saying the exact same thing last year! "We have Rodon, Q and Sale, plus Eaton and Abreu as our core. Just need some tweaking.. If it doesn't work then blow it up next season." I read this basic phrase all last year around the deadline. I just don't understand how minor tweaking fixes this mess. Or, with a baron minor league system and weak FA class, how'd we would accomplish it. But I'm sure when we fail again next year we'll just fall for the same false hope come 2018 Well, Melky, Lawrie and Frazier are all FA after next year, so really 2017 would be the year to blow it up versus this year. If you can't extract any surplus trade value out of the additional year of Sale and/or Q, you hold onto them and go to battle again in 2017 (2016 isn't completely lost either), not just trade them for s***s and giggles. Look, I'm not in charge. I would be fine with the Sox tearing this thing down, because I realize this team has no minor league positional player talent. But you don't force these types of things. The Sox have literally the top 2 trade assets that are theoretically available in all of baseball - if traded, it needs to be no brainer.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) Point is, yeah, Sale IS so much more valuable than Drew Pomeranz. He is so much more valuable than half a year of chapman. But at some point when you are casually throwing around that teams should give up literally their entire stock of talent for 1 player, it just doesn't make sense for them. Boston is attractive because not only does it have the #1 prospect in the game, it has 2 in the top 10 and multiple in the top 100. Saying "we'll take all of it" will just leave you to disappointment here. Either you will feel intensely disappointed with the return or you will continue to see Sale playing for whatever team construction this is. That right there is why it is very unlikely Sale will be traded until he has 1.5 or less years of control left. If you can get the same for him then as you can now (sort of what you're saying in that no one will pay full value RIGHT NOW), then you may as well keep him through 2017, at the very least.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 08:38 AM) A package that starts with Mazara and Profar would be sick. Profar only has three more years of control. Gallo and Tate, in addition to Mazara and Profar, would be necessary for Sale.

I'm with ya. So hard to concentrate on other things.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) I don't think Robertson is worth much but hopefully I am pleasantly surprised. Then I guarantee you he won't be traded (unless a guy like Sale or Q is moved as well). Why ruin any chance you have at competing this year for some salary relief and a lottery ticket? Sox don't roll that way.

Just keep winning. Sale and Q are going nowhere, IMO. I think the Sox will stand pat, or maybe make a couple smaller moves. And I totally OK with that. Sale and Q's value are not decreasing anytime soon, and the Sox have a chance to be competitive in 2017 with a few small tweaks to the roster (not to mention the chance to stay in the race in 2016). Trade pieces off next July if it doesn't work. Very little roster turnover after this year...next year makes much more sense for a tear down.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 07:39 AM) My prediction based on what I have seen with this team: 1) They will trade veterans: Robertson, Melky, Frazier and Lawrie. This will piss off Sale even more. 2) Robin Ventura leaves on his 'own accord' at season end since his contract runs out. 3) Hahn/KW stay. (Because JR is loyal and delusional) 4) Sale continues to throw management under the bus and will get traded this winter. 5) They keep Q, Eaton and Abreu to 'build a new young core around' instead of rebuilding properly. Doubt 1 or 4 happens. Maybe Robertson.

Dude is pretty good.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 11:50 PM) Another great game from this weird baseball team. My guy, Saladino, must play every day. Why is it so difficult for the organization to see that? Shields has been masterful. Maybe Coop really is a genius. As much as we blast Abreu, he does almost have 60 RBI. I hate to say it again, but I'd like to try this with a real manager. I mean we have some things to work with. I'm fully convinced, however, that team inconsistency will continue to reign. I am assuming Wednesday is a day game. I hate day games during the week. Sox should play it at night and go for the sweep rather than possibly get smoked during the game. Cubs aren't going to be in good moods after 0-2 and a day game gives them a chance to get the taste out quickly. It's not a day game. You could've figured that out much quicker than typing about how the Cubs will smoke the Sox if it is a day game. Smh

Sanchez was optioned for like 5 hours, lol.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) If you aren't getting both, a deal shouldn't get done. At worst you have Chris Sale until next decade. Mmhmm. Simple as that.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) I mean, I certainly hope you're right. I just don't think Boston would take that kind of risk. That package, in current value, might be the largest collection of prospect talent to ever be traded. And has an ace with a vastly under market contract with 3.5 or 3.5 years of control ever been traded?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) At the very least, if they did move either of those 2, they have to move Frazier, Cabrera, and Lawrie by this offseason. Yep, its one or the other.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Lol I was bored and tried. I was like how can I create a crazy three way deal between Boston, LA and ChiSox. Tried to move parts around and explain why I did what I did. If anyone takes that serious and gets pissed then that's on them. Pure entertainment on my part. I like it. Still think we need Benintendi, as well as Moncada, in any deal with the BoSox. Bradley Jr. doesn't excite me that much, honestly.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) Groome was just drafted and can't be a part of any deal until after the World Series. Gotcha, not concerned about him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) The Boston package isn't possible until the off seaosn. Why? None of those guys are on the ML roster.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) To be quite honest if we got Moncada, Benitendi and Kopech, I'm fine. Get some interesting young players to round it out. With these guys, we can afford to be greedy!!!!

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) After tonight, the Sox play 17 of the next 20 away from the Cell. Hope the players don't revolt in protest. Good one. In other news, Kyle Hendricks has a era below 2.50!?!? Da fuk?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Can say @whitesox love @RedSox CF Andrew Benintendi. He could be the front man in a multi-player Chris Sale trade if talks progress. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/758012007006277632 He'd need to be co-front man with Moncada, or the Red Sox can get bent.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:08 PM) Yes. That's better than paying Shields what we still owe him. The bolded is extremely arguable, I'm glad you acknowledge that. If a pitcher's good results have ever been smoke and mirrors in the history of baseball, it is with Shields in the last six starts. The guy is washed up. I think he's a solid #4, and paid accordingly.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Who cares if Beck starts every fifth day? That would be ideal to have Beck, Turner, and Raunado in the rotation to finish the season. It gives you a chance to see whether they are players that are ever going to be of any value and if not, helps you catch the Twins and Braves in the reverse standings. If you are rebuilding, adding another type five pick to your new core of Collins, Anderson, Fulmer, and Rodon (plus whatever you pick up in deals) only can help in the long run. There is no benefit to finishing as a middle of the pack team. It depends on what happens these next few days. If the Sox go crazy and trade everybody, fine. But I think it is highly unlikely they do that, for reasons I already explained in another thread on the main page and don't care to repeat myself - SEE POST #59 if you care to. While admittedly remote, I happen to think the Sox still have a chance. Really all you have to do in today's game is be around .500 this time of year to have a chance. Will it take a great 2 months of ball? Absolutely. I just don't see the Sox trading Sale and Q in the next week, and if they don't do that, I see no point in trading Shields and running a Beck or Turner or Raunado out there every 5th day. It'd be the least White Sox thing ever to trade off all their pieces right now, but maybe they've actually decided to turn the page. We'll see, but it makes much more sense to do next season or after 2017, IMO.