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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) Shields must shake up the locker room! Bunch of overpaid selfish players is my suspicion. Shields turned around the KC Royals. Can he do the same for the Sox?? Maybe. If I were him I'd meet with Sale and discuss, cause Sale is a badass as well. The rest of 'em? Ha. Mental midgets at least IMO. Who on the Sox do you find as "overpaid and selfish"?

I'd be completely fine with the Sox moving on from Ventura, but we all know that isn't going to happen right now. I don't think he is the difference between this team making the playoffs and not - I think that relies on how Jose Abreu bounces back from his dreadful start and if the Sox go get a real bat from the left side and how that player does. But it perhaps would light a fire under the team's ass. But I just don't see it happening.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) That's what the team under Kenny Williams does. That's not what happened under his 2 predecessors. Yes, they could flip Shields for more than they paid if he pitches better than he has. But, to paraphrase, that's not what they do. Honest question - its obvious you have so much hatred for the White Sox - why don't you just give up caring, or find another team to cheer on? Again, honest question - no sport/hobby should make you as miserable as you appear to be towards the Sox, so why spend so much time loathing over it?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 08:36 AM) There are a small but vocal group of posters that only seem to show up to gloat that the team is failing. They represent about 80% of the complaints to mods that we receive. It's anyone's choice to follow a team they hate and which makes them feel horrible (although I wonder why). But when they are trolling other members it gets looked at. And there is a difference between feeling horrible when the team doing poorly and posting that and gloating that the team is doing horrible and that poster feels great that they were proven right about what a horrible team it is. The posters that genuinely seem to feel better when the team is doing worse really bring the site down even further than it naturally would. Great post. I couldn't agree more - way way way too much of that around here. Hard to read.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Wouldn't have happened if Robin actually used a guy who had experience playing in center field with Jackson out. But nope can't do that...LOL. Mark Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 10:30 PM) Just wanted to say Thanks. I don't post often but amidst all of the gloom and doom thats written on the board, you seem to find ways to put some HOPEFUL and positive spins on things at times. Granted i am just as frustrated with everything as everyone else is, but this is baseball. I love the sport. I hate when winter comes and we have to wait soooo long for the season to start. I am TRYING to have some hope in this team, but man some of the negativity really gets depressing at times. Is everyone frustrated? Absolutely and SHOULD be. But overall I still believe we have a good team. I know its a long shot, but if Abreu ever gets his head out of his rear end, we have a lineup of one through 7 that's really not all that bad. He has hurt us a lot of games this year in real possible turning points in games. I remember a while back he Paulie went in a half year slump. He made NO excuses. He knew how he hurt the team, And fans were calling for his head. Just worked hard at getting out of it...and becamse a start and a hero again.. Can only hope the same for Abreu. I'd rather have the team go through this now and get all this $h&^&&t out of the way now than have it come in September. On the other side.......we have a REAL good defensive club as well. hopefully Rodon will get where he is supposed to be as well. A lot of IF's and Hopes? Sure. But if the 83 Sox can start off as horrible as they did and not lose a series the entire second half, then why couldn;t this team if everyone just does what they are supposed to do? Any, enough said. Just wanted to say thanks for some of your positives posts that you put out now and then. There is still a LOT of baseball yet. and if Frazier hasn't done what he did in many key situations,... we might be where Minny is at. But we are not. And also.....the front office (agree or disagree with any future moves) is at least TRYING to to something by TRYING to get a guy that eats innings to salvage a bullpen so its not totally trashed by August, along with still having money for more additions. Granted. its all long shots. But we still do have a VERY Good chance with some REAL hope with the pieces that we have. Tom Great post. This is what I come to Soxtalk to read.

Looked concussed to me. Poor guy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) He's one of the best five posters on this board, and he knows his stuff about non-baseball related matters as much as anyone here. It doesn't matter what someone's opinions are, or it shouldn't, as long as they are well-informed. And his always have been. If you went back about 5 years, you'd see guys like Balta or Lip were pretty consistently optimistic and hopeful. These last 4-5 seasons have taken a lot out of MANY White Sox fans, which have been reflected in the tv and radio ratings. Dude knows the game. That's obvious. But it's always doom and gloom. It's annoying as hell. There is no reason to dislike this trade. They gave up close to nothing and got a mid rotation innings eater for under market value. He can be bad and still be worth $9M AAV. I agree that offense and bullpen and bigger priorities, but it's the first week of June.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) He's doom and gloom on the Sox. The Padres were the opposing force against the Sox here so naturally Balta is going to support them. Your take is strong and without holes, but when I have posters messaging me with the "Balta would come back at this time in the Sox season" and "Of course Balta hates the trade" I feel the I have to say something. I wasn't going to nitpick through his argument, but his shtick is annoying people to a point where they come to me to complain or poke fun at it. Youre not alone in your stance. His Bs and obvious agenda has bugged me for years, even when I was just a daily lurker and didn't post.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) Source: #Padres sending #WhiteSox more than $30M in Shields trade. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/739203258292412416 Even better. Not sure how anyone can be mad at acquiring James Shields sub $10M a year. Could be as low at $7 or $8M. You obviously hope he is very good, but be doesn't even have to be league average to be worth that much.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) I assume we'd pay the buyout. Maybe 7, 9, 9, and then the 2 mill buyout? Basically paying him to be a 4th starter, and he could be much much better than that. This is nothing but a good deal.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) The #Padres will pay $29 million and #Whitesox pay $27 million left in James Shields deal https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/739199974609539072 There ya go, Bob.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) So if James Shields does not opt out of deal, #WhiteSox will pay $27 million and #Padres pay $19 of the remaining $56 M in deal https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/739199563936845824 He can't do math.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) The #Whitesox are paying $27 million of the remainder of James Shields contract https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/739198695036489728 Not bad. Let's call it $7M this year, and $10M in 17 and 18. That ain't bad for James Shields. Less than half of what he's due.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) This makes no sense. Unless the Sox plan on acquiring a few guys who can hit, then this is a retarded mive. The white sox have a month and a half to improve the offense.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Padres are expected to eat about half of remaining $56 million in Shields contract when they trade him. Great news.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Mods, can I have the power to delete Green Sox's posts on here? And maybe change my title from Benchwarmer to Garbage Man. Thanks boys +1000. Guys a clown.

I'd be cool with Shields if the Sox can get him at $13-14M AAV, and don't give up anything meaningful. Shields would be a big upgrade. I do think a DH or OF bat should be a higher priority though. If it's one or the other is prefer the bat.

40 man at 38 eh?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 3, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) Why does he insist on Shuck batting 5th?! (Has flashbacks of 2005 Timo Perez batting 5th). MUST. BREAK. UP. RIGHTIES.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 3, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) Any one with any sense of actually building a winning organization that can contend year after year. But people who admire what the Padres did last season would welcome this type of proposal. I just wonder why the Brewers are rebuilding when they have such an elite core like that. A good reliever, a good catcher with 1.5 years of control and Ryan Braun in an "elite core"? lolz.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 3, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) I would much rather trade for pitching as it does not seem like we have much coming up from our system. We could use another starter, sure, but Sale-Quintana-Rodon-Fulmer leaves the Sox in pretty good shape for next several years. Plus there are some decent arms as insurance policies in the minors. I'd take another arm, but we need a good OF bat or a legit DH (preferably from the left side) much more, IMO.

Love these unis.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 2, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) 7 for 3 trade with the Brewers, with Sox taking on all money. Who says no (other than GreenSox)? Sox Get: Jonathon Lucroy Ryan Braun Will Smith Brewers Get: Carson Fulmer Jordan Guerrero Trey Michalczewski Jacob May (or Adam Engel) Jhoandro Alfaro Carlos Sanchez Matt Davidson New Sox Lineup: 1. Eaton, RF 2. Abreu, 1B 3. Braun, LF 4. Cabrera, DH 5. Frazier, 3B 6. Lucroy, C 7. Lawrie, 2B 8. Jackson, CF 9. Saladino, SS Ryan Braun would be pretty neat, but that seems like a lot to give up for a guy who's value is tarnished, and an injury prone C you control for only ~215 games. I'm sure the Brewers would want more, but that seems steep to me.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) How many experienced AL hitters are going to give you a return of an 850+ OPS against RHP and not cost something significant? Beltran is one of the better choices out there, because of his age, playoff experience and contract. Kelly Johnson only has a 548 OPS against RHP this year and ONLY 715 over the much more indicative three year timeframe. Not sure how that clearly makes us better. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/...ing3/aaron-hill Aaron Hill would seem to be the better choice, based on this season. Otoh, coming from NL to AL, he's not LH, he plays a position we don't have a pressing need at, so unless he could put up current 812 OPS for the White Sox at DH and not his close to 700 splits (they're basically even over 2013-2015), then it's not a big improvement either. They would be better off with Rollins against LHP and then ANYONE NOT NAMED AVI GARCIA against RHP. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/30867/jerry-sands LOL. Career-wise, Jerry Sands has 549 and 551 splits against LH/RH pitching, about what you'd expect. WOEFUL. However, if you go by his minor league numbers, he's been at over 800 the last couple of seasons against RHP...especially for Columbus, where he was at 940 against RHP and 970 against LHP. But how much stock do you want to put in AAA numbers? I am not saying I want Kelly Johnson over Beltran, just think Kelly Johnson would be a nice dude to have on the bench for his flexibility. Beltran would be fine, I'd just prefer to see someone like Cargo for the bat, but realize that probably not going to happen.