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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. You don't just settle for the best offer when you have one of the most valuable trade chips and most dominate pitchers in the game under contract for 4 more years. You wait til you get what you want, or you don't trade him. Settling for less would be incredibly dumb, and I am confident the Sox aren't that stupid.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. Yeah, I agree. That's why he won't be traded.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Again, I'll wait for someone to show me where the precedence is three top 10 prospects in all of baseball. I don't think even Johann Santana commanded that much. There is no precedence. That's why he probably won't be traded for a few years, if at all. Plus, you can't just compare Sale to past elite pitchers in a vacuum. His contract is an enormous differentiator that adds oodles of value.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I think so as well. And they still value Puig very highly. That's why for me, I think a Seager, Pederson/Verdugo would be fine. If you can squeeze out Puig from them too, that would be great. Seager and Pedrson/Verdugo doesn't even come close to sniffing Sale. Not even close.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) Crazy to think that in a year with crazy salaries being tossed around, one of the best pitchers in the game signs a 5 year deal for only $90 million Bit of a stretch, no? Sharks a pretty solid pitcher, but not one of the best.

I like having the MLB discussions in PHT. I spend a good amount on Soxtalk, and I could count on one hand the number of times I've looked at the Diamond Club or whatever it is called. I would enjoy to discuss those topics, but obviously come to Soxtalk first and foremost to read/chat about the Sox. But I don't mind seeing the other news, even thought it probably isn't something I haven't already heard. I looked at MLBTR probably 10x a day. But I just have never really cared to go to a separate part of the site to look for general MLB discussion. I think its great to have it all in grouping during the offseason. In other news, BRING BACK THE CATCHALLS! The Offseason Plans thread was great. Catch alls are fun, and I feel not having them does the exact opposite of what you think you're accomplishing. You're always going to have people who don't like things one way or another, and as the owner of the site do whatever you please, but I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter when it is brought up. BRING BACK THE CATCH ALLS!

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Very quick fall. Maybe too quick. Woulda been right up your alley a short 12 months ago.

Long time Sox 3B target for many Soxtalkers. His prospect star has faded, but is still only 24. Played mainly LF last year, so must not be much of a 3B. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox take a gamble.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Ah I see. A much larger one. Such a BIG improvement. The video board at the Cell was truly embarrassing compared to what the newer stadiums have. I only get to a few games at the Cell a year since I live in MN, but I feel I can take credit for this since everytime I got a fan experience questionnaire email, I expounded on how badly the cell needed this. New Video Board Edit: my eye for color is off, but you get it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) Bad way. I admittedly don't know much about the guys he mentioned besides Trea Turner. But Trea Turner would look damn good at SS for the Sox for the next 6 years.

I don't understand what the economics of this deal haven't been announced.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) The value of power bullpen arms is quickly rising, esp considering a mediocre starting staff + 4 power pitching arms just dominated the World Series. Sox have tried to find those guys on the cheap- power with no command and let Coop fix them like he did Thornton a decade ago. But the Cooper magic has faded. Yes, relievers have value. But cornerstone 3B have more.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) I would be ok with that if they took a bad contract back. John Danks anyone? That's a more realistic swap than LaRoche, tho I'd obviously rather move Adam.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:47 AM) We will have a Rule 5 preview up on Monday, covering this. Yes RLeyer is available, no they don't value Carroll over him, but protection is not just about prospect status. The risk of Leyer being picked is incredibly low, because he has one very good pitch (a fastball that moves and runs 94-97), and NOTHING else. His breaking pitches don't break much, and he can't locate them. Carroll is a higher claim risk than Leyer. Can you explain what puts you at risk for the minor league phase of the Rule 5? Thanks in advance.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) I agree about going after McMahon but with first base open for the Rockies they can put McMahon there when he's ready. That said, myself and a few others have been talking since mid summer about trying to trade Montas for McMahon since they are rated so closely together in the top 100 with Montas as #54 and McMahon at #50. In theory its a fit but if the Rockies are high on McMahon then the Sox might be SOL. This remains the most obvious trade to me, unless the Sox can get an impact bat in a deal involving Montas. You trade bullpen arms for position players all day long. Yes, I know Montas is not a bullpen arm, yet.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) Either + cash for Laroche seems fair. Can't trad young talent for Ethier. No it doesn't.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) We're not getting CarGo unless we give up at least a couple good prospects, and we're not getting Arenado unless we trade Sale or Quintana + the entire farm. You could get Arenado for Sale. It won't happen, but Sale is more valuable. You certainly wouldn't have to add "the farm".

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) Just a theory but the Sox might not have to eat too much salary since one year of LaRoche (13M) saves Colorado 24M by not paying CarGo (37M) for the next two years. Colorado gets a 1B in LaRoche to buy McMahon time to likely become the 1B after the '16 season. Colorado also gets Montas + in the deal. Not sure who the + is but a low level prospect might work. Thank you sir. It's just a theory and I'm really not counting on it, more wishful thinking on my part. I love any idea that moves Laroche, because it allows the Sox to move Melky to DH, which I believe is a necessity. But there is virtually no chance of acquiring Cargo in a deal involving LaRoche. Zero. Hope I am wrong, but the I bet the Rockies have gotten better offers than that, and regularly.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) Do righty/lefty splits mean anything to you? Do you even understand what it means to platoon players? Navarro has always raked against lefties (for a catcher) and Avila has always raked against righties (again for a catcher). What more do you want. Or better yet, who do you want? Go take a look at the list of available catchers and come up with a name please. That's far too difficult for Greg to wrap his head around.

I'd be fine with any of the above (sans Pedro Alvarez..he is NOT a 3B), pending who has to be given up to acquire the players currently under contract.

How much are they paying Navarro, damn it!?

Still no word on $$$? Gotta think its between $2-$3M.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) Does Carlos Sanchez grade out as a good defensive 2B? How does he project defensively at SS? I'm not convinced at all that he has a major league bat that can be in the lineup everyday, but he could be a 1 year stop-gap at SS (while waiting for Anderson) if there were to make a move for Fernandez. How much money will this cost? Is he a good offensive player, more of a defensive player, etc? Carlos Sanchez is a very good defensive 2B. I don't need advanced metrics to tell me that. I think he'd be passable at SS, but nothing special.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) Why would they be strange? Leverage? Yeah. Why come out and say you've got a deal before you got a deal if it's a trade? Only seems plausible if it happened within the hour, which it didn't. A FA makes much more sense if they're just hammering out final details. And Navarro is the only one who fits Hahns description. I'm

Mesoraco would be awesome. Huge fan of his. Wonder how the hip is doing. Still think it's gotta be Navarro. Hahns comments would be strange if he were on the doorstep of a trade.