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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) Phegley can hit; Semien can hit. Both are flawed but can hit. The issue though why is a 73 team trading young players for a 1 year rent. 1 in a series of ridiculous moves last winter. On a different subject, it's startling to me how any one could possibly believe that Starlin Castro has any trade value at all. He's a .8 WAR player and you are on the hook for 40 over 4. Phegley wasn't liked in Chicago. His time was over. I agree that Semien can hit, yet he is a flawed player that was never likely to be a regular on the Sox due to his defense. I'd take the trade back for him alone, but I don't think we're going to be wallowing in our sorrows over what he becomes.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) I beg to differ. With the lack of starting pitching depth, it would be nice to have a guy like Bassitt to give EJ some competition in ST. After the starting five its Beck and Drabek. Would be nice if the Sox had Bassitt to compete with EJ in ST. Not like EJ is a sure thing for success. With Ravelo only being 23 and showing that so far, he can hit for Average and a high OBP, how can you say he won't amount to anything? His future is literally unwritten. The only knock on the guy is that he has yet to hit for power which, given his age, could still happen. I admit he lacks power for a 1B but that doesn't mean it will never develop. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I will admit I am biased because I hated the idea of trading for Samardzija before it even happened and now in hind sight, I hate it infinitely more. To the bolded - so what? Sign a couple bounceback candidates for competition. It is always nice to have depth, but Bassitt is nothing special. I see Ravelo as a Casey Kotchman type (with likely not nearly as good of a glove) as a best case scenario. Not exactly a big loss, and it is probably more likely he never makes it. Semien was the jewel of the trade, but even he is a very flawed player. Again, it was a good trade. It just didn't work out.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 07:27 PM) Not to be a smart ass but seriously, look up the numbers yourself. In short, Phegley posted better numbers than Flowers. Bassitt posted better numbers than Samardzija. Ravelo is 23, healthy and going into his first full season at AAA and he has high AVE/OBP potential. Considering the Sox have a lack of hitting in the farm, I wouldn't mind a young player with that potential, even if that player doesn't deveop power. Semien, Meh, I can live without Semien but imo and I said it at the time of the trade, Bassitt and Ravelo were the players I didn't like parting with. Then there's the fact that all four of the players the Sox sent to Oakland are under control for years to come and the Sox are left with Ynoa and the memory of one s***ty ass 2015 season from Samardzija. The Sox got fleeced so bad, Oakland should be brought up on charges and the Sox FO sent for psychiatric evaluation for being so stupid. It was like Steven Hawking making a trade with Forrest Gump. The garbage we gave up is marginally more valuable than garbage we received. The Sox did not get fleeced. Samardzija just didn't show up this season. None of the players the Sox gave up are going to amount to anything, except perhaps Semien as a league average player.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 07:14 PM) No. Stockpile that. Deal some once the foundation is built. This org is in no position to trade young players except in exchange for someone else's young players. I'm okay with dealing Q or Sale for that matter, for the right price. He's a 4-5 War player, at a low salary with years of control. That's the price. I'd deal Eaton first, though. I couldn't disagree more with most everything in this post. But I suppose that is the case most of the time when I read your posts.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 05:15 PM) Yes Why? A relatively light hitting corner OF? I am all about moving Melky to DH, but not sure this guy is reason why.

QUOTE (bruni @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) That's not enough for Q. Really? Baez and Soler are MLB ready, cheap and have a chance to be special offensive talents. Castro is a 10 year younger version of Alexi with all the + and - that go into that mix. And you add in 2 pitchers to the young mix you have coming up through the system. Seems fair to me for Q plus Viciedo Jr. or do you somehow see better in other systems that would be available? Can't win if you can't hit, play D or manage. Maybe we make them throw in Davy Martinez to manage too! The Sale and Quintana trade ideas with the Cubs need to stop.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) If it's a MILB deal, fine, but I want nothing to do with him if he wants an MLB deal. DA was referencing a minor league deal. That's fairly obvious.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Minimum Cole Hamels package, and his value is higher than Hamels' was at the time of his trade, so Q should get more. At a minimum, although with Harrison in that deal it isn't the easiest comp to use.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) No thanks. He's been washed up since 2011. MILB contracts mean nothing. If he sucks, you release him. I don't think anyone is penciling him into the 2016 starting lineup.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) For some reason I was thinking about Carlos Quentin yesterday so I looked up his BR page, saw how old he was and thought how sad it was that he was done. I saw him during his last season vs. the Cubs and he could barely stand.Now, he is said to be attempting a comeback, and most assuredly will have to sign a minor league contract. Supposedly he would market himself as a 1B/DH/OF. Sign me up. If he can't do it, so what? He won't be healthy the entire season, but when he is, he is exactly the type of hitter the Sox need. I'd love to see TCQ get another chance. Great guy, whose career was derailed by unfortunate injuries.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) No way do you trade a Top 20 pitcher in MLB for prospects. You have to get 2 MLB ready players for him plus 1-2 prospects in 8-15 range Not only is he a top 20 pitcher in MLB, he is young, left-handed, under team control for 5 more seasons (2 of which are team options), at an AAV of $8.65M. It literally doesn't get more valuable than that. He's worth a ton, and I suspect he won't be traded unless some other team really, really, really wants him and is willing to give up a TON to get him.

QUOTE (aboz56 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) Any chance the Sox bring him back on a one-year deal so he finishes his career where it all started? If Quintana is traded, I could see it.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) Quintana should not be traded unless a team with a strong farm system gives the Sox 1 of their top 5 prospects along with a few in the 8-15 range. You're severely underrating Quintana's trade value.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) I think LDF is referring to the brief discussion the two of you had yesterday on if the Cubs were the winning bidders, what would they do about 1B with Rizzo already there. It's all moot now since its the Twins that won the bid. Just trying to clarify is all. Anyway. Twins lineup looks even more potent now with the power potential in that lineup. And their defense looks embarrassingly bad. Sano anywhere but DH is a good news for the Sox. Sano at 3B and/or LF for more than a handful of games would be comical. Assuming Park isn't much of a defender, so he'd probably find himself at DH most of the time with Mauer at 1B (if they get the deal done). But Joe will need his rest, so Park will definitely get some time in the field. The Twins really screwed the pooch with Mauer. He is plenty athletic enough to play other positions. THey should have stuck with him in the OF, or at least given him a chance at 3B.

The Red Sox may have the bullets to get Sale, but it'd take most of them. It ain't happening.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) I was thinking Q to the Blue Jays if he does get traded with the package starting at Pompey. The Jays can't possibly move away from Pillar in CF and they already have Revere under control in LF for 2 more years so makes sense for them to use Pompey as a trade chip while they are in World Series mode. Not too sure about the rest of their farm system though. Pentecost is a nice C prospect from the 1st round a couple years ago, but missed the entire year with shoulder surgery. A package centered around Pompey (a player in the mold of one we already have locked up long term, who happens to play the same position), and Pentecost for Quintana would be very disappointing. If you trade Q, it is for a kings ransom. That isn't it.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) I'm not ripping them but they should've moved him in June when they had the chance. They're in the "paid to get it right" business and they should've traded him. Oh well. Time to go out and have an aggressive offseason. Hard to say that when you have zero clue what the offers were. The Sox were ahead of the Rangers and 1 GB on the Blue Jays at the the deadline. They shouldn't have traded Shark unless they got a nice piece, which I am guessing wasn't materializing. The benefit of hindsight in this case makes all the difference.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) My Realistic Wishlist for this Offseason: 1) Let Shark walk in FA, receive compensation pick 2) Resign Alexei to a 2 year deal $12 million deal with a $3 million team option for '18 (Ramirez made it clear he wants to stay and retire on the South Side) 3) Go after Matt Weiters and lose out on him courtesy of ATL on a lucrative deal, settle on a 1 year deal with AJ Pierzynski worth $3.5 million with a $2 million dollar player option for '17 4) Sign Garrett Jones to MiLB deal, depth in case of Abreu injury, could have a Dan Johnson-type year with Charlotte 5) sign Dom Brown to a MiLB deal, depth in case of Melky/Avi injury, All-Star in '13 6) Hire Rick Renteria as bench coach, seems to be popular choice among fans, managerial experience 7) Sign Juan Uribe back as 3B depth, veteran clubhouse presence 8) Sign Shaun Marcum/Bronson Arroyo as a RHS, Shark is gone and a vet RHS is needed, should be cheap 9) Sign Neal Cotts as an extra reliever, solid statline 10) Hopefully this is the South Side's final year with a protected first rounder for a LONG time, could make a splash with Weiters or go safe route and bring in Howie Kendrick for 3 years/42 million, KW loves him 11) Deal Courtney Hawkins, Spencer Adams, Carlos Sanchez, Jacob May, and Chris Beck for Todd Frazier and lock him up for big money, hopefully our long term 3B 12) Trade Saladino for a promising young C (Plawecki or someone of lesser magnitude like Andrew Knapp) A '16 roster of: C: Pierzynski, Flowers 1B: Abreu 2B: Kendrick, Johnson 3B: Frazier, Uribe SS: Ramirez DH: LaRoche LF: Cabrera CF: Eaton RF: Garcia, Thompson Rotation: Sale, Rodon, Quintana, Danks, Montas 'Pen: Robertson, Duke, Jones, Jennings, Webb, Putnam, Petricka Looks promising Hahaha, putting the band back together, eh?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) They can't decline his option and then offer him a QO anyway. Doesn't work that way. This. That whole scenario isn't possible.

My thoughts are nothing original to what has already been said in this thread, but I am little surprised the Sox declined the option. Alexei is a much better option at SS than anyone else on the 40 man, despite being dog s*** for the first couple months of 2015. I highly doubt the Sox will look to the top of market (Desmond), with Anderson waiting in the wings. So Alexei still makes a ton of sense. Now if they think they can get him on a 1 year deal for less $, with perhaps an option for next year if Anderson doesn't continue to develop as the Sox hope - great. But I have a hard time believing Alexei won't be able to top something like a 2 year deal in excess of ~$16M, and I don't think the Sox should commit to him for two seasons. I like Alexei, but I also wouldn't be heartbroken if they go in another direction. He's been a very good, and very underrated player for the Sox during his time. I still think he is an above average ML SS, despite the numbers showing otherwise last season. But he isn't the most cerebral player, and perhaps someone with a higher baseball IQ up the middle would help the entire defense.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) Plawecki/Norris and Frazier are my top trade targets for CWS with Hawkins, Sanchez, Saladino, Erik Johnson, May, Nieto, Beck, and Coats all being available to deal (Montas, Fulmer, Rodon, Thompson untouchable). As much as I would love Weiters on the South Side, his price isn't right and ATL will almost surely lock him up. Flowers isn't the answer and the hopefully contending Sox have no answer on the farm. A young C like Plawecki or Norris would be the answer for CWS. I could see 2-3 (Erik Johnson, Engel, Sanchez) prospects getting these deals done. Todd Frazier is a pipe dream that CWS has virtually no shot with (I'd offer Adams, Michalczewski, Hawkins, Beck for). Danks and LaRoche both off books. My dream 2017 WS Champion CWS: C: Plawecki, AJ 1B: Abreu 2B: Johnson 3B: Frazier SS: Anderson, Ramirez (diminished role) OF: Eaton, Melky, Avi, Thompson Rotation: Sale, Montas, Quintana, Fulmer, Rodon Pen': Robertson, Duke, Jones, Webb, Putnam, Albers, Danish, Jennings Lineup: Eaton, Anderson, Melky, Abreu, Frazier, Avi, Thompson, Plawecki, Johnson I bet Cinci would take that trade. I'd start with less, and think it could get done for less. Keep Sanchez. Trade Micah if he has any value in a move, if not, just keep him. Montas should be available IMO. Trance should be far from untouchable, but you need to get something legit to be moving him after his debut. Other than that, I like it, and think it's a fairly realistic guess at what the 2016 roster should look like, sans Anderson, if the Sox want to reload. I also see the Sox picking up someone like Fowler or Jackson or if had already made those moves.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) I don't think it's a no-brainer to pick up Alexi's option. Unless sentimentality is part of the deal. Saladino as good at 6% the cost. Spend the money elsewhere. Except Saladino isn't even close to as good of a MLB SS as Alexei.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) Realistically, Alexei will be our SS next year. I really believe that. MAYBE the Sox could look at Desmond at 3rd, but I don't see us spending big money on a new SS, with bigger holes at 3B and C. Exactly. Picking up Alexei's option is a near no-brainer IMO. Sure, the Sox may be paying him a $1-2M more than his "market value", but they have a replacement a year away and the FA market is void of legitimate 1 year options that are going to be both cheaper and more or equally effective on the field (as Alexei). Pick up the option, and worry about 3B, C and a legitimate corner OF.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) He either ways 400 pounds or is skinny and unrecognizable now I bet. The former.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) I'd like Gyorko if they paid some of his contract but they've had the same first baseman for the last four years and he's coming off his best season yet. I wonder how cheap Chase Utley would be. I was thinking that the other day, regarding Utley. Not sure I'd prefer him over Sanchez, but he could be a decent option on the cheap. What is his D like these days?