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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I would be all for going after Wieters for the right price at 4/64 I'd pass. My interest would top out around 4/45 and I don't think that will get it done. Not even close. People, this is 2015, soon to be 2016. $11M AAV doesn't get you that much anymore.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) I didn't get to watch Montas. How did he look? Statistically seemed decent. Really? You spend an awful lot of time posting on a White Sox message board for a guy that didn't happen to catch any of Montas' outings this season...You think you'd tune in just to see that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) If they could move Danks and go with Johnson and Buehrle as 4/5, I'd be fine with it. I'm not moving Quintana though unless I get a ton back. Rest assured, nor are the White Sox!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) You are right. Posey beats out Salvy on production with .318, 19, 95. Amazing stats. .379 OBP. Who's better than Perez in the AL? While I would absolutely love to have Salvador Perez (as would most any team), he really isn't that good of an all around hitter. His OBP this year was .280. For comparison sake, thats below Alexei's OBP of .285 this year. The dude is allergic to walking. He walked a grand total of THIRTEEN times in 553 plate appearances. Steven Vogt, Russel Martin and Brian McCann all had higher WARs this year. Once you consider age and contracts, I'd easily take Salvy over any of them, but let's not act like he is a HOF yet. Very, very nice young catcher that is unreal behind the dish, and has a nice bat. That contract is one of the best in the game - it is literally robbery.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) From a purely statistical standpoint, LaRoche's contract is worse than Papelbon's. Unless Papelbon is some sort of clubhouse cancer that is negatively affecting other players, that trade would do absolutely nothing for them. It's a trade the Sox should do without hesitation if offered. Worst case scenario, you can always bury a reliever, even an expensive one, at the back of the bullpen. You're pretty much forced to give a substantial number of PA to a big money position player. There's less flexibility. Oh, he is. But the Nats still don't do that trade.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) I don't want Cespedes either, but for what it's worth both UZR and DRS rated him as a very good fielder this season. Yet dWAR hated his D. I go more by the eye test anyhow.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) I agree. If they're going to shell out $100M, spend on this guy. Cespedes is a nice player and all, but he is not what the Sox need. Another mediocre at best defensive outfielder who hardly walks at all (low OBP) and strike out a bunch, and for around $25M AAV. That is a contract that you're going to regret (as are most FA signing these days). I for one hope the Sox stay away from Cespedes at that price.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) Yeah, once you had NY/Chi in NL TOR/KC had zero chance for prime-time. I'd rather them be on at the same time or staggered 6pm / 8pm start times, plus they only play on the same day half the time. Afternoon weekday games are a complete joke. People work for a living...

The game times in the playoffs have really floored me...I know that it has been this way for years, but still. It truly is a travesty to have so many damn day games, I presume for TV purposes only. If the Sox were in the playoffs, I would literally have to take half days every single day they played because there is no possible way I would be of any use at work, and I'd be freaking out wanting to watch every pitch. It really sucks..I have to imagine KC fans are outraged by all the day games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 19, 2015 -> 01:14 AM) Ervin Santana $13.5 million Ricky Nolasco $12 million Torii Hunter $10.5 million Phil Hughes $9.2 million $45.2 million + $23 million for Joe Mauer, so you're not far off from our entire 2005 team, maybe $10 million in separation. That's a lot of money for a starting rotation these days, although still cheaper probably than our 2006-08 rotations with Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, Garland and Javy V. A very expensive, mediocre rotation, mind you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) The irony is that Yost would have been fired and Moore in hot water as far as keeping his job if KC lost that wild card. He definitely would have been gone with no playoff appearance. Meanwhile, the White Sox fans are expected to be more loyal to KW, Hahn and JR when their leaders have accomplished far less with those past seven years than Moore, who, once again, would have been fired (possibly) had they lost the WC game. Yost was gone for sure. And this for a franchise with 1/3rd the broadcast rights revenues the White Sox receive. And yet zero threat of anyone in Chicago losing their job...and even then, Ventura will be sacrificed to the fans despite the fact that KW and Hahn are the main ones responsible for the product on the field. The beginning of this post about KC is a big stretch IMO.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) I'd like Daniel Murphy to play third. Hopefully he won't be too expensive. He is below average defensively. No thanks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) With Billy Hamilton, not sure they'd even be interested in Micah, not to mention they are still committed to Phillips for at least one more year. Throwing a bunch of names like Montas, Beck and Danish together won't accomplish much, either. They'd ask for Fulmer or Anderson and pieces or someone like Eaton. For Frazier? Hah, then tell them to pound sand. Moving Fulmer, Anderson or Eaton for Frazier would be a comically bad trade for the Sox. And I like Frazier.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Not to mention Miguel Sano and the Twins (yet another impact infielder at a premium position)....they finished exactly how we were projected to by most experts. Miguel Sano is a 1B. They'll try him at 3B, but it will fail.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) I think that one is the most realistic of any of the trade proposals on this site so far I don't like it for the Sox. Throw in Austin Barnes and I'd be a little more interested.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) Q is probably more likely to be dealt to the Dodgers for Puig. Still going with this one, eh?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) I'm not sure Colorado would trade Arenado for Sale straight up. Maybe since they need pitching so badly, but that's how valuable pre-arb positional stars are. Colorado would kill for Chris Sale. They can't attract pitching to save their lives. Adding Cargo was a bit of stretch, but I certainly not as big of stretch as adding Q, Fulmer and Abreu.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Lillian: With respect to you. Flowers is a black hole and no, no, no ,no to Olt. Still with four gigantic holes in the lineup offensively...just my opinion. Mark Every team has black holes in their lineup. So long as those players produce defensively, its not a huge problem. Very few teams have potent lineup from 1-9. The Sox can live with Sanchez and Flowers in their lineup. I am no fan of Flowers, but he is a league average catcher. The catching position around baseball is pitiful. I see no reason to play Olt. I'd rather Saladino play 3B. I thought Olt's glove was pretty medicre at best...at least Saldino can throw some leather. But I am pretty much convinced the Sox will have a 3B on their roster next year who is not currently there and one that will be batting between 3-6.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) Sorry, but you really can't make that statement as of today. Maybe after a series of shrewd offseason moves, perhaps, but not now. If you'll recall, we just finished third to last in the league, thanks to the miserably worst offense and almost as equally abysmal defense. There is nothing "solid" at all there at the moment, save Sale, Abreu, Q, Eaton, and Robertson. Fairly steep drop off after those fellas. The rotation and bullpen is pretty damn good. I think most teams in MLB would trade our staff for theirs anyday. I honestly don't think much needs to be done there at all. I think an offensive core of Abreu, Eaton and Cabrera is a solid start. You have the middle of the order power bat who can hit for a high average. The high OBP guy who can lead off and steal you some bags, and could conceivable hit well about .300. And I personally think Melky is a pretty good offensive player who had a tough year, especially early on. I am not ready to label him a sunk cost. Alexei's option will likely be picked up, and he is at worst an average offensive player at SS. You add in another big bat (hopefully an OF that pushes Melky to DH most of the time), and a 3B, and I think you now have a very good offense. Sure, that will require a couple moves, but moves that I think are necessary when you're trotting Chris Sale, Jose Quintana and Carlos Rodon out to the mound 3/5 days on contracts that pay them far far far far less than their value. So yes, I think this team has a solid base/core to work from, with a slew of arms (a few of which are MLB ready or close to MLB ready) that they can trade from to help supplement this roster (Montas, Danish, Beck, Adams, Guerrero,etc.).

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) Arenado is not on the block. If he was, you're not getting him for Q. Now you want him and CarGo for Q? That deal would take you Sale, Q, Fullmer, and Abreu. I don't think you realize how much Colorado wants to build around Arenado. I think you honestly have a better shot at getting Stanton. Either which way, out of the midlevel options I really like Murphy & Fowler as well. Hahahah, cmon on man. Sale could easily get you Arenado and Cargo. Add Fulmer, Q and Abreu? Hah.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) 59: One definition of insanity is doing the same failing thing over and over again and expecting it to work. You bring in vets to fill holes when you are ready to contend. The Sox in my opinion are not ready to contend, there are still far to many major black holes in this lineup and on the team. Let me ask one simple question, why would you want the Sox to get into the same position again that Hahn was trying to dig them out of in 2013? Signing expensive guys (even assuming someone like Zobrist would even WANT to play for the Sox - which is a mighty big assumption) to deals when they are in their 30's is another recipe for disaster. What you are suggesting is a "Kenny Williams special" and history shows that has worked out SO WELL for this franchise since the start of the 2007 season hasn't it? They need young talent (which is hard to get granted) not going back to the same philosophy that hasn't worked. I repeat, I'd rather lose with kids who maybe...just maybe have an upside then lose with guys who simply are not going to get better and don't solve the major issues on this club. Like Mark Gonzales told me one time, the absolute worst position a team can be in is to have a bunch of declining guys on the roster with big deals who are unmotivated. I'd rather not have the Sox go back to that place...no thank you. But then again obviously as a Sox historian I have no idea what I'm talking about. LOL! Mark A couple things: Zobrist being a "stiff" and Zobrist not being the best fit for the 2016 White Sox are very different things. Ben Zobrist is an outstandingly productive and valuable player that any team in MLB would like to have. Is he worth throwing a long term big money deal at? No, but at his age, he is more likely looking at a 2-3 year deal in the $12-$15M AAV range. Not exactly earth shattering in today's game. You've made it clear in the past that you don't like advanced stats (another reason why your historical view on baseball is tired), but take a look at Zobrist's. The numbers don't lie. I agree that patching a bad team with high priced veterans doesn't always pay off. Sometimes it does, but you can't just look at all of this stuff in a vacuum. If the Sox mostly stand pat, I don't think Zobrist makes much sense. But look, the Sox have one of the best pitchers in baseball on their roster, and decent offensive core. They have the makings of a solid team, if smart moves are made to supplement the roster. You have to stop wasting Chris Sale's prime years...if you throw a bunch of kids out there, you need to trade Sale, and the Sox will never get even money for Sale, so they shouldn't and won't trade him. That is pretty much exactly why I think the Sox will continue to try to supplement their roster rather than tearing it up and trading their best assets. You can pretty much apply this same line of though to Quintana, but obviously down a tier. In that case, a guy like Zobrist makes a ton of sense if you can find other places to improve this teams line up and defense, which I am confident Rick Hahn will leave no stone unturned in his search.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 10:08 PM) No thank you to both Ramirez and Zobrist. Both over 30, heading downhill, the Sox don't need more stiffs who are unmotivated with big expensice contracts. If the Sox are going to continue to suck (and they probably will) I'd rather see a bunch of kids who at least care. MMark Zobrist is far from a "stiff". From reading you posts the past few months, I often wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about. I think this seals it.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) You need to get out more. You need more clever comebacks.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) You need to get out more. I have lived in MN my whole life.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) That'd be a pretty easy obvious move to make if it weren't in the division. Can anyone think of a recent similar trade we pulled off with an intra-division team and both teams were trying to compete? I watch a lot of Twins games. Plouffe is pretty mediocre at 3B defensively. He is also a sub .700 OPS guys against RHP. No thanks.