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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:14 PM) If it is the one we gained from Jeff's signing, technically we don't lose or gain anything which IMO makes it worth it. But to me you HAVE to get rid of LaRoche or Avi if we sign an OF whichever one you don't trade is probably the DH or Melky Avi can be optioned.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) LOL this is asinine. Just awful. He should just be ignored at this point.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) Would much rather pay 75 million more to upgrade both hitting and our atrocious OF defense than pay our biggest contract ever and ensure that our defense will be awful for a long time. Very tired of this video game approach to improving the white sox. Agree, but let be real, the Sox aren't signing Heyward. He may cost over $200M.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 09:37 PM) Just curious... Who was the last hitting prospect the Sox actually developed? How many on the current projected roster? I think those answers should show that if KW/RH are to want to sign a guy like Upton & give up a pick that isn't even an original pick, why not do it? This team can't keep wasting this pitching to wait on hitters/position players they can't develop. Hey, I get it... This team is frustrating but I'm not going to fault them for adding talent to a needy roster. Well said. Basically punting the next two seasons like some here suggest just lose two controllable and cheap years of our stars and narrows the window.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 09:28 PM) Don't think giving up the draft picks is a smart strategy. This team needs as many of them as possible. Rebuilding that minor league systems should be a TOP priority. As for Upton, if they were to do this, why is this a good / bad move? Why type of contract would he get? I know he's another high strike out guy, but with high HR potential. Is he a good defensive player? The White Sox do need more thunder in the lineup, but why him over Heyward, for example (I realize there are different skill sets). Average at best defensively. Heyward is a much better fit but will be $75M+ more expensive.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 09:24 PM) Just build. Kenny Williams (and this has Williams written all over it) is ridiculously obsolete. This stuff doesn't work. But the Sox do it year after year after year. Where does Trayce fit into this? They don't even have the patience to find out if 2015 was at least somewhat real? He could decline .100 OPS points and still really help the team. Your choices of words are often comical. Williams is obsolete?? Haha whaaaaa

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2015 -> 08:19 PM) He's connected to the Sox too..... I'd love Upton. Always been a fan of him. Heyward is obviously going to be more expensive than Upton, but he is just such a better fit for this team. Upton is a solid player but he's at best mediocre in the field and Ks a ton. I just don't think he fits all that well on this team. Heyward on the other hand... But signing Upton would signal that the Sox plan to contend, and I like that.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) Santana's value was higher than Sale's. The difference is going to be contracts. The argument is that his contract is worth at least a 3rd top 10 prospect in baseball. I'm arguing it's really not. Santana was already the sure fire best pitcher in baseball and best of his generation at the time. It's the equivalent of Clayton Kershaw being traded by the Dodgers right now. There's nothing that says his contract is worth 2 extra great prospects. That's ludicrous. Your logic is ludicrous. And wrong.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) The incident happened 1 week ago. Of course he hasn't been yet. For *right now*, he should be viewed as having the plague; if you trade for him he could infect your team. If we had a 2 month investigation first and knew what the results were, fine, but the winter meetings are happening now. I frankly haven't looked into the situation much, but didn't Puig like push his sister? Its not like he cold clocked his GF in an elevator and dragged her across the floor knocked out or anything... Not saying he is a good guy. I've had very minimal interest in Puig since people started pushing for him this past Summer, but from the little I have heard of the situation, it doesn't seem quite fair to convict him a woman beater yet. That said, there may be more to the story that I haven't heard.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) Apparently that's a severe underpayment by the Dodgers. You guys are also right, I shouldn't compare Santana with Sale because Santana was by far the best pitcher in baseball at the time of the trade and of his generation. Do controllable years and $$ mean nothing to you? Because it would seem that way from your "analysis".

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Sale's contract is maybe worth another top 5 prospect. You guys aren't even asking for that. You guys are asking for Seager, Pederson, Urias at minimum. There's no precedent for that. Hell, Atlanta is only asking for Pollock for Miller. No offense, but the more you post about this the more convinced I am you don't understand the economics of baseball. Comparing Shelby Miller to Sale is comical. As is one year of Johan Santana at "market value" versus 4 years of Sale, two of which are options, at at AAV of about $20-20M below his market value. That isn't worth one prospect, and if that's what you believe, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. But I can assure you that the Sox won't trade Sale unless they are absolutely blown away. In my mind, Seager and Pederson is a nice start to the package. But at least two more top prospects or young controllable MLB players would need to be included to get the Sox to even consider moving Sale.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. You don't just settle for the best offer when you have one of the most valuable trade chips and most dominate pitchers in the game under contract for 4 more years. You wait til you get what you want, or you don't trade him. Settling for less would be incredibly dumb, and I am confident the Sox aren't that stupid.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. Yeah, I agree. That's why he won't be traded.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Again, I'll wait for someone to show me where the precedence is three top 10 prospects in all of baseball. I don't think even Johann Santana commanded that much. There is no precedence. That's why he probably won't be traded for a few years, if at all. Plus, you can't just compare Sale to past elite pitchers in a vacuum. His contract is an enormous differentiator that adds oodles of value.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I think so as well. And they still value Puig very highly. That's why for me, I think a Seager, Pederson/Verdugo would be fine. If you can squeeze out Puig from them too, that would be great. Seager and Pedrson/Verdugo doesn't even come close to sniffing Sale. Not even close.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) Crazy to think that in a year with crazy salaries being tossed around, one of the best pitchers in the game signs a 5 year deal for only $90 million Bit of a stretch, no? Sharks a pretty solid pitcher, but not one of the best.

I like having the MLB discussions in PHT. I spend a good amount on Soxtalk, and I could count on one hand the number of times I've looked at the Diamond Club or whatever it is called. I would enjoy to discuss those topics, but obviously come to Soxtalk first and foremost to read/chat about the Sox. But I don't mind seeing the other news, even thought it probably isn't something I haven't already heard. I looked at MLBTR probably 10x a day. But I just have never really cared to go to a separate part of the site to look for general MLB discussion. I think its great to have it all in grouping during the offseason. In other news, BRING BACK THE CATCHALLS! The Offseason Plans thread was great. Catch alls are fun, and I feel not having them does the exact opposite of what you think you're accomplishing. You're always going to have people who don't like things one way or another, and as the owner of the site do whatever you please, but I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter when it is brought up. BRING BACK THE CATCH ALLS!

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Very quick fall. Maybe too quick. Woulda been right up your alley a short 12 months ago.

Long time Sox 3B target for many Soxtalkers. His prospect star has faded, but is still only 24. Played mainly LF last year, so must not be much of a 3B. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox take a gamble.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Ah I see. A much larger one. Such a BIG improvement. The video board at the Cell was truly embarrassing compared to what the newer stadiums have. I only get to a few games at the Cell a year since I live in MN, but I feel I can take credit for this since everytime I got a fan experience questionnaire email, I expounded on how badly the cell needed this. New Video Board Edit: my eye for color is off, but you get it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) Bad way. I admittedly don't know much about the guys he mentioned besides Trea Turner. But Trea Turner would look damn good at SS for the Sox for the next 6 years.

I don't understand what the economics of this deal haven't been announced.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) The value of power bullpen arms is quickly rising, esp considering a mediocre starting staff + 4 power pitching arms just dominated the World Series. Sox have tried to find those guys on the cheap- power with no command and let Coop fix them like he did Thornton a decade ago. But the Cooper magic has faded. Yes, relievers have value. But cornerstone 3B have more.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) I would be ok with that if they took a bad contract back. John Danks anyone? That's a more realistic swap than LaRoche, tho I'd obviously rather move Adam.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:47 AM) We will have a Rule 5 preview up on Monday, covering this. Yes RLeyer is available, no they don't value Carroll over him, but protection is not just about prospect status. The risk of Leyer being picked is incredibly low, because he has one very good pitch (a fastball that moves and runs 94-97), and NOTHING else. His breaking pitches don't break much, and he can't locate them. Carroll is a higher claim risk than Leyer. Can you explain what puts you at risk for the minor league phase of the Rule 5? Thanks in advance.