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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) I agree about going after McMahon but with first base open for the Rockies they can put McMahon there when he's ready. That said, myself and a few others have been talking since mid summer about trying to trade Montas for McMahon since they are rated so closely together in the top 100 with Montas as #54 and McMahon at #50. In theory its a fit but if the Rockies are high on McMahon then the Sox might be SOL. This remains the most obvious trade to me, unless the Sox can get an impact bat in a deal involving Montas. You trade bullpen arms for position players all day long. Yes, I know Montas is not a bullpen arm, yet.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) Either + cash for Laroche seems fair. Can't trad young talent for Ethier. No it doesn't.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) We're not getting CarGo unless we give up at least a couple good prospects, and we're not getting Arenado unless we trade Sale or Quintana + the entire farm. You could get Arenado for Sale. It won't happen, but Sale is more valuable. You certainly wouldn't have to add "the farm".

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) Just a theory but the Sox might not have to eat too much salary since one year of LaRoche (13M) saves Colorado 24M by not paying CarGo (37M) for the next two years. Colorado gets a 1B in LaRoche to buy McMahon time to likely become the 1B after the '16 season. Colorado also gets Montas + in the deal. Not sure who the + is but a low level prospect might work. Thank you sir. It's just a theory and I'm really not counting on it, more wishful thinking on my part. I love any idea that moves Laroche, because it allows the Sox to move Melky to DH, which I believe is a necessity. But there is virtually no chance of acquiring Cargo in a deal involving LaRoche. Zero. Hope I am wrong, but the I bet the Rockies have gotten better offers than that, and regularly.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) Do righty/lefty splits mean anything to you? Do you even understand what it means to platoon players? Navarro has always raked against lefties (for a catcher) and Avila has always raked against righties (again for a catcher). What more do you want. Or better yet, who do you want? Go take a look at the list of available catchers and come up with a name please. That's far too difficult for Greg to wrap his head around.

I'd be fine with any of the above (sans Pedro Alvarez..he is NOT a 3B), pending who has to be given up to acquire the players currently under contract.

How much are they paying Navarro, damn it!?

Still no word on $$$? Gotta think its between $2-$3M.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) Does Carlos Sanchez grade out as a good defensive 2B? How does he project defensively at SS? I'm not convinced at all that he has a major league bat that can be in the lineup everyday, but he could be a 1 year stop-gap at SS (while waiting for Anderson) if there were to make a move for Fernandez. How much money will this cost? Is he a good offensive player, more of a defensive player, etc? Carlos Sanchez is a very good defensive 2B. I don't need advanced metrics to tell me that. I think he'd be passable at SS, but nothing special.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) Why would they be strange? Leverage? Yeah. Why come out and say you've got a deal before you got a deal if it's a trade? Only seems plausible if it happened within the hour, which it didn't. A FA makes much more sense if they're just hammering out final details. And Navarro is the only one who fits Hahns description. I'm

Mesoraco would be awesome. Huge fan of his. Wonder how the hip is doing. Still think it's gotta be Navarro. Hahns comments would be strange if he were on the doorstep of a trade.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) How in the world did he get a major league contract? Cause the man can throw some leather.

I like Zobrist. He makes a ton of sense for this team. But not at that price. It takes away all the upside.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 30, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) "Can't get big league hitters out" is an expression, Wite, not a literal statement. I thought with your Adminhood you would know the difference. I wasn't talking about his performance in 2013-14. Last season, he had a lot of trouble getting anyone out, especially after his first 30 days after being called up. He pitched 30 innings last season, so with your powers of deduction, he recorded 90 outs. He gave up 46 hits and 23 walks/HBP. And he was getting worse as the season progressed. Figure it out. He couldn't get MANY/ENOUGH hitters out, okay? We got it. But you're still wrong. You don't DFA young, cheap relievers with a good arm and MLB experience when they have options and you have plenty of space on the 40 man. If they're looking for guys to clear from the 40 man, there are a few that would go before Webb, who is probably pretty safe right now.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 05:21 PM) Past three years. Top 35 qualifiers at SS. Cabrera was second to last defense per Fangraphs. Alexei was top 10. This. Abdrubel is really the last thing the Sox need.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) Webb, hands down. He had a bad year, and it kept getting worse and worse. Kahnle acquisition prob sealed his fate. He's still cheap, most likely had options (not positive), and there are plenty of spots on the 40 man at the moment. Why would you DFA Webb?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) I thought he had a son? Haha, and your point is...

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 28, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) I think we're going to make a big move with Colorado. Avi involved. They could take a chance on Avi breaking rough in that ballpark. I hope we try to get their 3B McMahon. They have Arenado so he's expendable. Rockies get: LaRoche, Montas, Avi and another prospect. White Sox get: Carlos Gonzalez, Ryan McMahon As for Cabrera, I'm only interested in him on a one year deal. Anderson should be ready next season. I like bringing him in versus bringing Alexei back because of his switch hitting bat and age. Then I'd be fine with getting Lawrie from Oakland. I wasn't keen on him at first but the more I thought about it the more it makes sense. Certainly, with our trade history with Oakland. Maybe trade Beck and a low level guy for him. The wild card in all of this Quintana. I think some team grabs him. For what? I don't know. I hope we can acquire some guys without dealing him. Those trades would be steals for the White Sox. I would think Cargo and McMahon and Lawrie would cost more than what you proposed. If those trades were on the table, I'd have to think Hahn would pull the trigger immediately.

Gross, but at $2.5M, no biggie. Just hate that this likely takes them out of bigger acquisition at C.

I'd rather give this guy a shot than sign David Freese.

He throws gas. I like it as a depth move.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) The Dodgers made those moves to eat salary to pick up surplus value elsewhere. Their surplus value in this instance would be giving up very little to acquire Jose Quintana by also eating Adam LaRoche's contract. Do you think it is in the White Sox best interest to negate the possible surplus value they can receive in Jose Quintana by packaging $15 mill in the deadweight contract of Adam LaRoche with him? Adam LaRoche is not going to kill the White Sox financially this year, they may able to acquire at least someone for him at the deadline, and he's clean of their hands at the end of 2016 regardless. To your last point, you are correct that the Dodgers have done crazier things with their money. The White Sox have not. That is a Marlins' sort of move. No, I don't think the scenario you outlined is in the Sox best interest. But I also don't think $13M negates Quintana's surplus value. $13M to the Dodgers is like $100 to you and I. I am not even suggesting the Sox do it. But if they were able to get a package of players including Puig and Barnes for Q, AND were able to dump LaRoche on the Dodgers in the same trade...it may make some sense, but its probably a pipe dream.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) -The Dodgers have all the money in the world. Why waste your player assets for a 3-4 WAR pitcher when you can just spend $200 million on a 4-5 WAR pitcher? Nevermind that they have no use whatsoever for Adam LaRoche, who has negative value right now. It goes both ways. Yes, the Dodgers have all the money in the world - but they also have several spare/excess pieces that the Sox could use (see my previous post). They may prefer to just go out and sign David Price, or they may prefer to give up a package of players to acquire Jose Quintana and his $8.5M AAV over the next four seasons and LaRoche's $13M in 2016. Saves them a ton of doe to spend elsewhere. Just look at what they did last season...Signed Hector Olivera, ate $28M and traded him; ate the tens of millions owed to Matt Latos, Mike Morse and Bronson Arroyo (all of which had zero and negative trade value). Not saying the Dodgers have interest in LaRoche, but they've done much crazier things with their $. If they really want Q so they can spend their money elsewhere, it wouldn't be all that shocking.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) I believe I've said this before, but including LaRoche in a deal with Quintana (in theory) only diminishes the value of the return you'd get for Quintana, so I'd shy away from it. Plus, I doubt anyone wants LaRoche, especially NL teams (no DH). That's obvious, but a team like the Dodgers may actually just be willing to eat LaRoches full $13M. Generally, I agree, the Sox would all things equal be able to get more for Q without including LaRoche, but if you can still get a package like Puig plus three of the following players: Van Slyke, Guerrero, Austin Barnes, or other top 10 LAD prospect, it may make some sense. No other team would eat LaRoche's contract without significantly lowering the return, however.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) oops i didn't see it that way from your all la-sox idea of trading. my bad. I said the Sox basically have to trade Quintana because there is no other realistic way to supplement their offense. But they're not going to waste a top 40 bullet value-wise in all of baseball on an irresponsible and somewhat reckless player and person in Puig in a 1 for 1 swap.