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Carroll up for one day only?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Ok I was wrong. Jeff was write. Below is the quote. Hah, missed that one. I guess thing looked a lot different a week ago, though.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) Upton and Longoria will not pass through waivers. The Sox aren't going to take on a full time DH like Martinez. As a platoon catcher, Vogt doesn't really move the needle much for this team (if he passes through). Braun would be a possibility I guess, though not one I would be excited about. I didn't say that they would clear waivers or that the Sox would acquire the players I mentioned. Most players get put on waivers. The Sox will still have a chance to acquire multiple different bats if the elect to. That was my point.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Well, CarGo will most likely pass through waivers. Of course, they couldn't use Avi Garcia in the trade now though, because he won't pass. What other waiver wire bats are you suggesting? Upton will go on waivers, Braun will go on waivers, Victor Martinez will go waivers, Stephen Vogt will go on waivers, hell even Longoria will go on waivers. I could go on for a while.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) That's exactly what the Royals did, but can KW/Hahn pull it off? If the White Sox had brought in Morales, Chris Young (placeholder) and Volquez they'd be sitting in a much better position today, as they'd have Volquez as part of the rotation for next year instead of a compensation pick for Shark and they'd have had a lot more depth to pull off a trade at the deadline (the four guys who went to the A's). Of course, you can argue nobody could have foreseen what Morales or Young were going to do for them. We probably would have been better off with Rios over Garcia, but that's really not an argument worth having atm. Along with those guys, dumpster diving for the likes of Blanton to cover your rotation, bringing back Hochevar and signing Medlen to a spec contract based on his TJ history that they don't have to pick up next year ($10 million mutual option). Dude, just become a Royals fan! You and Greg can be besties!

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I will say this, the Sox did kind of screw themselves in the court of public opinion. If the team continues to play well, fans will bemoan the FO for not picking up a bat to contend seriously. If they tank/fade, fans will bemoan them for not trading Samardzija when they had the chance. THEY CAN STILL PICK UP A BAT!!!

I think it's fine. This team has been gelling pretty well lately, and obviously has great chemistry. Who knows what a guy like Cespedes would do to that. You can pretty much guarantee guys like Upton, Carlos Gonzalez, Ryan Braun, etc., etc., will be put through waivers in the next week or two. If the Sox were to stay hot, they can still get a bat. I love to see the Sox go for it, so I would have liked to have seen a bat added now, but when I look at it objectively, the chances are still slim, and the only way it made sense was if it didn't put a dent in the Sox future. Most likely, that wasn't attainable. And I full heartedly agree with holding onto Shark. Without him, our chances would be much less. The Sox should do the right thing now and give EJ Dank's spot in the rotation.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) Between Sale last night, Billy Pierce passing away, all the moves other teams made to improve themselves, Detroit getting a lot stronger for next season compared to a week ago...all of the excitement about the last two months of the season has kind of gone out of the balloon. Hahahaha the king of over reaction.

I am confused how it was construed that the Sox were involved in this deal as a third team...

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Disappointed, but at least we're better of than San Diego who held the deadline ransom and ended up holding the bag when the music stopped. All those names and none moved yet? Still a little time left...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) Then there is this. Tony Paul ‏@TonyPaul1984 4m4 minutes ago Three-way trade could have #Tigers moving Yoenis Cespedes and Rajai Davis, possibly. Mets, White Sox appear to be involved. Intriguing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) If for no other reason than to see how he, Ramirez and Puig get along. It would be a lot more entertaining than Aviball recently, that's for sure. Dang, if we traded Samardzija at the right time, we could have had Olivera at 3B with that trio... No. ATL got Perazza in that deal (in addition to Wood, a pitcher controlled on the cheap for multiple years) No way shark gets you Olivera...thats just nonsense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) I would love to know what offers look like for Samardjiza. yeah, but we'll never know. Probably fairly underwhelming.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) They literally can't resign him if they don't trade him unless they extend him before the end of the season. I know - I misspoke. Too many trade ideas going through my head the last couple days.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Give a name right now... What is the best offer you would make as Rick Hahn for Cespedes. GO Chris Beck or Jacob May.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Well whatever the best offer is they should take it. Whatever the return is...it's better than nothing. Not necessarily. Maybe they value the ability to be able to resign him more than some s*** prospect.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) My guess on how this translates is that they are looking for someone to pick up one of their salaries, before adding more to the payroll. Possibly, but Hahn has said they have payroll space to add this summer, if the situation was right. Maybe this situation isn't right, but I don't think it is strictly a $$ thing. More likely that a bat would result in cutting into LaRoche's PT, and since he's locked up next year, that doesn't make much sense (to the FO anyway).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) If they weren't convinced on waiving the white flag they shouldn't have traded the much more important pitcher. True, my point is they're not just going to give him away.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) Yep. You would think within those last few minutes they would accept just about anything because there's no reason to hang onto him. Something is better than nothing. Except they are just 2 games under .500 and 3.5 GB on the 2nd WC.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) It's hard to believe that Cespedes won't move when the Tigers moved Price and Cespedes won't return a draft pick. And it also pretty much means that they cannot re-sign him. But looks like the Mets are the front runner.

Sort of looks like we'll go to battle with what we got, which I am fine with. Orrrr is it just the calm before the storm...?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) There's more to it than what a guy's WAR is this season. Avi is a young player who you are trying to develop and LaRoche is a veteran with a track record and a big contract that you want to get value out of. It's not a deal where they necessarily think these players are better than rest-of-season Upton or whomever, but you have to figure out how to handle these guys in the ways that benefit the team most now and in the future Exactly. Something this board in general seems to have a very difficult time grasping.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2m2 minutes ago Nate Jones w/ another scoreless inning at Triple-A Charlotte. Got 1st K in 5 innings there. Had 1 in 3 IP at Single-A. 0.00 ERA overall. Anyone know what Jones' stuff looks like? He hitting 100?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:41 AM) What's a normal age to start following a team as a die-hard? I'm 25 but my first season following the White Sox all the way through was the 2004 team. I guess I was a late bloomer. I'm 25 as well, but since my old man is a die hard sox fan, I've been one since I can remember. Plus, growing up in MN, I had no choice but to defend myself, and be as educated on the game as possible. Hence why I know more about the Twins than most Twins fans, and I f***ing hate the Twins.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Yeah, but Wood is a lefty. Yes, I thought you were referring to Latos v. Shark.