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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) Statistically have they been similar, sure, but Shark is a different story. He's viewed in the league on another caliber. Latos was darn good and he's pitching well now, but if you asked me who I'd rather have start game 3 of the playoffs, my answer would be very easily Shark and I think every team in baseball would come to that conclusion*. * Presuming the matchup is against a team who hits lefties as good as righties. Latos and Shark both throw with their right hand. And Latos stuff has deteriorated significantly the past two years. Its a no brainer.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) Lol, the Yanks pitching isn't really any better. CC Sabathia comes to mind. Yeah, but they are already 6 games up and have an unbelievable bullpen. Toronto isn't catching them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) I do believe the White Sox have been careful. Seeing at who has been discussed, there have been plenty of chances for the Sox to jump in and throw caution to the wind. But they haven't. This.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) I think holding on to Shark is a move in and of itself and probably the only prudent one Yep, and probably what they'll do unless someone bowls them over. Maybe a bench piece bat or someone that can play a little 3B, but I don't expect anything but, but I also wouldn't be surprised..we'll know in a few hours.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) Not just a one game playoff but a chance at the division rival. Yes the Jays are six games back but while the Jays added Price/Tulo the Yanks lost lost Pineda. Anyway, back to Samardzija. I would not be surprised if the Sox decide to sell in the next few hours. Not gut the team but trade Samardzija. Doubt the Jays catch the Yanks. Their pitching still blows. MB is their #2....even after acquiring Price.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) Nobody is going to offer that much because Samardzija is not worth that much, period. To expect the same package for Samardzija is lunacy. Exactly. The Sox sit on ass while the Jays went out and got one of the best hitters and pitchers in the game. And ravaged their farm system to do so, all for a chance at a 1 game playoff. In a couple years, the Jays will regret these move, I guarantee it.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) If Shark isn't traded it's a comp pick most likely who will never make it to the show. When the Sox don't grab a big bat or give up our prospects for a free agent you'll be singing a different tune about how stupid the Sox are for giving up prospects or not trading Samardzija. I can see it coming . Maybe not you specifically but many on here. I don't think the Comp pick is the end of the world. A pick in the late 20's can turn into gold, but it is more of a future value proposition, no doubt. Look, if the Sox were getting great offers for Shark a few weeks ago when they were in the s***ter, he would have been traded. I personally would love to see the Sox get a big bat, but I realize it doesn't realize jive with what this team should be doing (assuming they have to pay a steep price to acquire said bat; I would be more willing to do so if the bat is controllable). But I think the best thing to do is to just stand pat. I doubt the Sox were getting offers like the ones the Reds and Tigers got for Cueto and Price, respectively. Any many here will b**** about anything, no matter which direction the team goes. That is just the way it is.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:26 AM) I'm being realistic . All this stuff about Upton and Bruce just ain't happening and Colabello's OPS+ is 132 Upton's is 116 and he's a FA next year, Bruce 125 another .250 NL hitter likely to hit .230 in AL and free agent in 2017 ,Cespedes 125 and a free agent. All likely to want one of our top 5 prospects. The Sox need a bat who doesn't get paid much and won't ravage the farm . Have you even looked at Colabello's hitting stats this year ? Right now the way the Sox are built without much power Colabello has 9 but is hitting .312. He wouldn't kill rallies with that high average plus he'd be tied for 2nd on the Sox in HR's. Why would Toronto trade him for a bag of balls though, especially to a team they're competing with? He serves a purpose on their team. Don't forget, the 70-92 MN Twins DFA'd him last season after a similarly hot start to the year. I think the reason you're getting such a negative response is that you actually proposed trading Shark for him.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) Can't argue with the year he's having though . He's been pounding the ball. And if the Sox can get him for peanuts and no Shark he's perfect to get a lot of AB's as a PH and DH against lefties. Sox do need a bat and that's what he is. Surprisingly Toronto still might want to keep him since he's been great there. Toronto lacks depth in the outfield. Their rookie 2nd baseman has a sore shoulder and Bautista a troubling hamstring. They're still looking for pitching and position players. Yeah, off the waiver wire maybe to be in a DH platoon or occasional fill in 1B. He should never ever be in the OF, and you definitely don't trade one of the best 25 SP in the game for him. He sucks, man. Yeah he can hit LHP a bit, but that is it. He is a really cool story though.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) I'd rather keep Melky in LF and put Upton in RF. That's fine too, although Cespedes won't play RF (apparently).

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) Not really. vs LHP LF - Upton/Cespedes CF - Eaton RF- Melky DH - Avi vs RHP LF - Upton/Cespedes CF - Eaton RF - Melky DH - LaRoche Not that complicated. Only issue I see with this is if Melky doesn't want to / doesn't like RF. But if they go rental route, please don't give up Anderson, EJ, Fulmer, Adams, or Trey. Fine with Avi or Montas, or pretty much any other prospect. Would be sad to see Danish or Adolfo go though.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:03 AM) Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 1m1 minute ago Teams talking to #WhiteSox say they're struggling with how impact of Cespedes or Upton would impact roster. Already overloaded at OF/DH/1B Not really. vs LHP LF - Upton/Cespedes CF - Eaton RF- Melky DH - Avi vs RHP LF - Upton/Cespedes CF - Eaton RF - Melky DH - LaRoche Not that complicated.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) It's possible. Toronto is overloaded with bats Maybe Shark for Chris Colabello . He probably makes Avi look like a good fielder though I haven't checked. Hitting.312 .839 OPS .900 against RH's . Is 31, journeyman mostly ,having career year . Equally good against righties and lefties batting average the same . Doesn't walk much but 132 OPS+. As you suggested it's possible still to win without Shark but maybe Toronto would still like him or might want something else for Colabello. If we trade Shark though an extra reliever might be good too considering Johnson most likely won't pitch late into games like Shark. Keep Shark and still get Colabello then could try Johnson in the 5 spot and move Danks to long relief. Have Danks start once in a while to limit Johnson's and Rodon's innings. Also it helps Toronto even more who is our competitor for the WC. And giving up Colabello without Shark seems unlikely unless they want a few B level prospects to restock their farm a bit after the trades they already made giving up their prospects. Yikes. And Colabello is a 1B that the jays play in the OF out of necessity. He actually would be much worse than Avi. He also just generally sucks balls at baseball...I can guarantee you the Sox have zero interest in him unless its virtually free.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 09:43 AM) That's what it sounded like from Levine this morning. He said next year for Tim Anderson There is no chance Tim Anderson is the starting SS on opening day 2016 for the Sox. It will be Alexei. Maybe, just maybe, it Alexei sucks balls, they'll call up Anderson midseason, or maybe, they'll let Saladino or Sanchez give it a go, but it won't be Anderson. Admittedly, I haven't watched Anderson in person, but by all accounts he is extremely raw. His defense has improved ten fold since last season, but he'd still be an absolute butcher at SS in the majors. Give him time.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 07:34 AM) Toronto is clearly the best team in the hunt for the 2ND Wild Card, and they are going for it, with the acquisitions of Price and Tulo. However, they still need one more pitcher, to go along with the best offense in baseball. Why not give them Samardzija for one of those middle of the order bats, in their organization? The Jays certainly have enough of them. I know that both Encarnacion and Bautista have team options for next year, but will be free agents, at the end of next season. How about this?: Give them Shark for Encarnacion and Pentecost, but they can keep Encarnacion, until the end of the season. Then, after the season, the Jays have to give the Sox Encarnacion, whose $10 Million option would be renewed for one year, and take La Roche. Is that even permissible, under the MLB Collective Bargaining Agreement? I suspect that it is not permitted, or we would see that kind of trade deadline deal, all the time. The selling team, is looking ahead to next season and beyond. They don't care that much about the remainder of the current season. The Sox would be virtually conceding this year, but would be in good shape for next season, and would have some payroll flexibility to plug another hole, or 2. At least the Sox would have a middle of the order bat, to protect Abreu, with no big salary commitment. Jays would laugh.

Nice piece of hitting there.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets trying to land #Reds’ Bruce. Also exploring other options. Wheeler most likely would go to CIN and maybe one other piece. Would much rather have GoGo if I were the Mets.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) I understand the solid rumors buried in threads thing, but how are catch-alls bad for forum discussion? IMO they're better, as there were many more quality posts in the buyer thread than there are now in the smaller threads. Yep.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) You can blame me (although I'm not the only person anti-catch all), but as the owner, I have certain preferences and I hate solid rumors burred in threads. It is a pain in the ass for me to read (when I don't want to necessarily read through pages of discussion if I'm trying to get caught up on news / rumors) and it is also bad for forum discussion (and as an admin, I try to do what helps generate discussion). You're in charge, and don't get me wrong, I appeciate all that the admins to to keep this place running, but I think you accomplish the exact opposite of promoting discussion. But I understand your stance.

Must admit, Soxtalk's obsession with not allowing catch-alls is sorta.....bizarre.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:27 PM) So is Danks. Gyrko's goes thru 2019, Danks 2016. Gyrko's is worse.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) Danks and low prospect for Upton and Jed Gyorko Gyrko's contract is brutal.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) As flashy as acquiring Upton or Cespedes would be, it would very shortsighted in my opinion to give up prospects for rentals to bank on 2015. This has Kenny written all over it. It does, but let's see what happens before we say we're mortgaging the future. Maybe they can get a rental bat without giving up anything super significant. We'll see...

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago Have heard chisox are on upton and cespedes now. Things have really turned around for south siders https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS My lord Do not want Upton unless it's cheap, which I doubt it will be.

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