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QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) I'll be happy if they trade Samardzija, Alexei, and Quintana. The first two just to get something, and Q because they heard something they couldn't say No to. I like Q alot, but I have warmed up to the idea recently. I just don't see how the offense can drastically improve without trading Q or Sale. Signing aging veterans or finding lightning in a bottle isn't exactly a guaranteed science. Problem is, if you trade Q, you almost have to sign a #2 SP this offseason. Thankfully, that is the one area where the FA class isn't totally bleak. Sale #2 Rodon Erik Johnson Danks / Fulmer / Montas And that is counting on one of EJ, Fulmer and Montas to be in the rotation. But if you don't go out and sign a SP, then you have to expect 2 of them. But I suppose if we don't plan on competing in 2016, you may as well roll the dice there and see what you have.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) Samardzija and Alexei to Pitt for Elias Diaz and 2016 comp pick A. Conversely, I'd be very pissed if this is all they got for Shark and Alexei.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) Samardzija and Alexei to the Pirates for Meadows, Garcia, Kingham, and Luplow I'd piss my in joy pants if this happened. I'd be pumped to just get Meadows and Kingham. Garcia and Luplow would be gravy.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Average AL Catcher OPS: .669 Soto's OPS: .761 He's almost 100 points above league average, and he's rated as a pretty good pitch framer this year as well. He can't throw out runners and has some trouble with passed balls, but so does Flowers. I'd hardly say he blows. Consider the source. He's a clueless blowhard.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 11:45 AM) You almost have to trade Quintana. With a historically terrible offense and defense, we have to be willing to deal someone who's capable of providing us with a package that inproves the team. Not just in 2016, but beyond. If not from Quintana, how does this team improve with dealing Shark for a b rated prospect? We're sure as hell not going to replace six full-time position players off FA/waiver deals, i'll tell you that much. We need help. I don't really want the Sox to trade Q, but I agree. The return obviously has to be right, but I just can't see how this team will be competitive in the next two years unless they hit home runs with a couple trades. The FA pool sucks next year, and this offense has several holes to fill. But stranger things have happened...just look at the Twins. That team sucks and they're somehow 10 games over .500.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 02:40 PM) The problem is, is the pitching staff is indeed "all-in" quality. If they can even get get a few average bats in here for next year they could be competitive. Austin Barnes might be someone you could consider a B prospect and I would love for him to be the return for Shark. He looks like he could possibly be a #2 hitter, and to get that from the catcher position would be huge in my book. But Balta wants the Sox to play all kids and be terrible FOREVER!

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:35 AM) With more guys being available, I don't see us getting much back for Shark. I think he finishes the season with the team and we collect the draft pick. Lets hope he signs early in the off-season so we can get an earlier pick in that round. Doubt that's the case. Tons of teams need pitching.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Petricka has a 3.27 ERA. Doesn't strikeout a lot of hitters but induces many ground balls. I wouldn't consider him terrible at all. Exactly. Petricka is pretty good - I don't want the Sox moving him unless they can get a legit bat, which isn't gonna happen. Trade Putnam.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 09:33 PM) L. Garcia in my opinion is another one of those "Four A" players (and the Sox have a bunch of them). Impressive stats in the minor leagues but when they get their chance at the major league level they can't do a thing. Garcia had a chance last year and didn't show much. Sox need to do better than him. Mark Lip, no disrespect meant, but you finally have enough of the other board? I remember you well from my days over there before I found Soxtalk.

The Pirates may make some sense for Conor. Our old friend Brent Morel is #1 on the depth chart at the hot corner at the moment.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) One problem I'm now noticing...who would play 1b? Abreu looks like he's about to fall apart right now and that's after 5 days off. I don't exactly care about losing more games, but seriously who plays 1b for the next few games/if Abreu goes on the DL and LaRoche is shipped out? I am sure Davidson could play first base if they really got in a pickle.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 11:15 AM) Yall really want the Sox to pay $9 million for Alexei Ramirez next year? Get a 3B and let Saladino play short. It is actually $11M, y'all.

Good read. Biggest problem is the Sox don't really have anyone to play SS other than Saladino or Sanchez and then that opens up 3B and 2B. Or you could do 3B - Saladino, SS - Sanchez, 2B - Johnson, but then you have a very, very light hitting offense. At this point, I may be more inclined to do that and just turn the page on Alexei. I could totally see him bouncing back next year, but his poor ABs and often lackadaisical demeanor have sort of worn thin on me. I just think it is time to move on if you can get anything of value for him. I don't see the Sox picking up the option.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) Eaton contract is one Sox are going to regret. Start trading Monday Hahn no reason to keep people. Hard to regret a contract that a guy makes peanuts. Maybe the last year when he is making $8.5 but other than that he'll be worth what he's getting paid. But f*** facts, right?

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) A DFA allows you 10 days to trade, release or outright a player if I'm correct. So they could still trade him? Right but the point is that you're not exactly increasing a guys value by Designating him. If they could have gotten something useful, they probably would have already. But there is still a chance, yes.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) Flexible to do what? .360 OPS? Play below average defense at 3 positions? 1/5 in steal attempts? He isn't replacement value at a single thing. Defense is important, but the Sox are paying high, high price for the defense they get from Sanchez and Beckham (and Bonifacio). Play patty much anywhere on the diamond besides C/P. Not saying he is good at it. Look, I'm not defending Boni, I just said I understand the move even tho it wasn't the easy one to make.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) i don't know if this is a right move or not, i think there are other factors at work. i can see him being an option, if he can work out of his hitting slump. his lack of D at 3b is but a minor excuse. his production has added to an excuse to dfa but i think that is the only reason. boni running is greater than conor hitting.... i don't think so. Defense at 3B is not a minor excuse. Yeah Connors bat is maybe slightly above replacement level, but his glove is so bad that you can't start him at 3B anymore. If you can't see that, I digress. Boni has flexibility and Conor has none. I wouldn't have complained of it was Boni not Connor, but I understand the decision.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) Most predictable post ever... The ignore feature is your friend. Makes this place much more readable.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Yes, who can question a 73 win team spending $6 million on utility infielders, neither of whom can hit, and one who can neither hit nor defend? What team wouldn't keep a player with a .356 OPS on its 25 man roster? Gillaspie is a better hitter than Beckham or Bonifacio. And he can play 1st. What purpose does Gillaspie serve if he's not the starting 3B? He's not good defensively at 3B. You mention 1B - any infielder can play 1B and we have a gold glover who DHs most days. His role would be that of strict pinch hitter and we already have a better LH pinch hitter in Shuck on the roster. Since Saladino came up, Gillaspie has been MIA. I'm not thrilled about the move simply because I like Connor, but it is the right move. Gordon can't hit at all but he is an asset to have on the bench defensively. And Boni has been terrible, but he at least can run a bit, something every bench needs.

Bummed for Connor. He was a pretty decent ball player for us the past two years. But the Sox need D at 3B, and that he cannot provide. He just didn't make sense on this roster any longer.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 05:59 PM) If the Sox don't win this game is on Hahn for being a pitcher short. Teal implied I hope.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) It will be Bonifacio, I really believe. I feel like Boni serves more of a purpose. If Saladino is the 3B, connor would be relagated to ph duties only. Not sure that's worth a roster spot, but is have a hard time dfa Connor too.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Argument against: Neither are great hitters, Beckham is a better runner and vastly better defensively. Shuck and Bonifacio provide lefty hitting off the bench. Conor just doesn't make sense unless he's starting. I am sure they are trying to trade Connor as we speak rather than just designating him, but I can't imagine anyone is beating down the door.

I like him - easy guy to root for. I met him at a restaurant in Minneapolis a couple months back and he was a super nice guy too. Was probably surprised to be recognized.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) I'm just saying man, he has a tendency to give up these early f***ing runs. Look at what happened Sunday. He just need to pitch better and he has proven he can in the past. 4 hits to start the game is pretty bad. You can't even defend that. But you jumped ship after 2. It is pathetic.