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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) I've never been more surprised by anything than Leury's meh defense last year. Usually scouting doesn't miss on that. Playing consistently helps with that...

It was time for Buerhls to move on when he did. But I wouldn't be against trading Quintana for king's ransom (hopefully mainly positional players) and signing Buehrle to a 2 year $15-20M deal this offseason. I don't think he makes much sense in the rotation if Sale, Rodon and Q are all in it already.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) No one will take him unless the Sox contribute $$. Maybe so, but $13M remains a fairly reasonable rate to pay a guy to hit .250ish with 20+ bombs and 80 or RBI. The bigger issue for the Cards is that Matt Adams will be back next year and then there is no where to play LaRoche. I think the Sox will actually be able to find a taker for LaRoche, if they're fine getting virtually nothing useful in return besides salary relief. Honestly, I'd be fine with that. I don't really like watching him play all that much, although I am fairly certain he'll be much better in the 2nd half than he has been in the first.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:05 AM) I'm torn on this topic. Obviously the upside to Sanchez is his defense. How many double plays has he turned that Micah wouldn't have? How many balls has he snagged that Micah wouldn't have? How many saved runs has he had on defensecompared to how many runs have we let up with him at the plate instead of Micah? Also, Emilio has been awful? I don't know if I agree with that thought process. Last year he had 430AB, 26 SB, was able to play around the field, etc. The year before he had 460AB, 28SB, year before 30SB, the year before 40SB -- you get my point in a way. Basically since 2011 he's averaged 400AB a year with other MLB teams .... why do the Sox find him so worthless when our combined 2B stats are .192BA?? I don't get how he hasn't got an extended look there yet ....I actually think he gives us the best chance to win at 2B, he's not one of the polar opposites in Sanchez (great D, terrible O) or Johnson (okay O, terrible D). My opinion -- let Emilio get a look at 2B, keep Sanchez up, let him rest and recoup. Maybe try Sanchez one more time near the end of July if Emilio isn't working out --- or as Emilio is gaining trade value --- and then if Sanchez doesn't seize that opportunity let's hope that Micah has learned some fundamentals on D. It is sort of strange. But I suppose since two of the Sox more MLB-ready prospects are 2B, they'd rather get them the reps over there. But it is surprising that they haven't at least given him an extended run of ABs at 2B..what is there to lose?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 09:54 AM) Maybe his defense wouldn't be as harmful at 3B? Doubt that...and he's never even played an inning over there. Not gonna happen.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) The Cubs are not going to trade Baez for 2 months of Samardjiza. The cubs wont be trading for Shark, period.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) Nope. If Soto PH for the DH, and moved to C, the pitcher hits. Correct. You basically lose the DH.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) man, he surprise the crap out of me, meaning his success. i am wondering, when the lineup gets expanded, how he would do pitching to mlb players. i will be stoke about that. Umm...he's already been up to Chicago this year and faced MLB hitters.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Urias is the #3 prospect in baseball, c'mon, you'd be lucky to get him if you offered Quintana. I'd rather have the proven LHP who is locked up longterm on a team friendly deal if a 1-1 swap.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) And who is that hitter going to be? Example of a hypothetical scenario? Just an example, I am not necessarily saying they should do it: Trade LaRoche to the Cardinals who pick up his whole salary and give us a lottery ticket. Sox sign Chris Davis in the offseason to be their DH for the next four years. Napoli and Morneau would be other options. None of them are perfect, for sure.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) Would be a pure salary dump at this point. I would rather see if he can rebound in the 2nd half. No real reason not to, it's not like he is blocking anyone. Fine. If they take on all his salary for this year and next, just cut your losses and sign a real DH in the offseason.

I am hoping the Cardinals take LaRoche of our hands in the coming weeks.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 10:10 AM) Dude if the Jays offer Hoffman, we should either accept before we get off the phone or hang up immediately and asssume something's wrong with him. Reports on Hoffman since he's come back have been nothing short of glowing -- he's almost definitely the top prospect in that system. Dude, I am not saying I don't want Hoffman, you take the best player available, but my point is that the Sox should be targeting guys that can help on the offensive side. Our pitching rotation is in pretty good shape now and looking forward.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) I still think they gave up on Micah way too quickly. Was his defense really costing us a lot of runs? I really can't recall him be THAT horrible in order to sacrifice him for a .160 hitter His D was pretty terrible. He cost the Sox at least a few games early on.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 09:41 AM) Hoffman for Samardzija makes a lot of sense for both sides. Hoffman isn't a can't miss prospect, but the Sox loved him in the draft and he still has the potential to be a #4-#5 starter in a year or so and could eventually reach his #2 starter potential again. His numbers are starting to improve, as he has 14 K's in his last 15.2 IP with 4 BB's and only 3 ER. Sox need hitting. I wouldn't mind taking back a pitcher, but the Sox excel at developing pitching. They should trade for offensive players!

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 7, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) Because Sano is the future at the position I doubt Sano ever plays more than a 50 games a season at 3B. He'll be such a liability over there. He's a 1B or DH - which is problematic for the Twins because they already have Mauer, Vargas and Arcia who are also 1B/DH types.

But Balta! And Dayan Viciedo. Edit: was supposed to include Quote of Melky stats the past month.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Sale has to be the starter Kuechel's been just as good.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Generally speaking: Betts is untouchable, you guys are treating him as merely a starting point for a deal. Swihart would be a realistic prized centerpiece, you guys are treating him like he could be the second or third piece. There's no way they'd give up both Margot and Devers, and probably only one of them if the centerpiece is a notch below Swihart. THey'd probably push hard to make on of those two THE centerpiece. Let me be clear: I'm NOT advocating trading Quintana. The best case scenario, realistically, is probably Swihart, Kopech/Chavis, two solid arms you haven't heard of. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just trying to be realistic. We need to remember that a young, controllable, above average position player is more valuable than a similar pitcher, and positional prospects are valued extremely highly right now. If that's the return, Q won't be traded.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 09:42 AM) I understand what you mean. And I think I agree. Here's the problem. They have awesome starting pitching and are only 5.5 back of the 2nd WildCard. It's easy for us to say this. We don't know what Reinsdorf thinks though. If Reinsdorf doesn't want Hahn/Williams to sell yet, then they won't be selling. I think they let this play out over the next 2 weeks. They obviously believe in the team that they put together. I don't know how many games they need to be back to decide to sell around July 30th. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Regardless, they don't have much to sell and they want to win again in 2016 It Is the offers that will dictate to who is moved. If the Sox keep winning, they're only going to trade SefuL pieces of it makes the team better in the very near future. Don't make trades for the sake of making trades! Bend a team over the chair or hold your guys.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 3, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) Guys, you know how we all make fun of those ridiculous bloggers who have ridiculous notions of their favorite players' trade values? That's what you all sound like. Really? One of the best 20-25 pitchers in the game signed long term to a very team friendly contract? Pay up...or you won't get him.

These proposed offers as brutal. Swihart would be fine as 1 of multiple pieces. No thanks to Cecchini, he is basicallly Gillaspie. Holt? Cmon now. Maybe Swihart, Betts, Bradley Jr. and Devars or Margot. Yeah, steep price, buytif you don't get a haul for Q, you don't trade him. It's that simple.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 07:21 PM) With our hole at 2B you have to have Wong in the deal Wongs D blows (nh). Nice player and bat to have at 2B but the sox need to improve their D, not make it worse.

I don't know if I'd take that deal if the Sox only had Sale signed for 1.5 more seasons at $30M per. And the guy called Sale "one of the best 15 pitchers in the game." Hilarious. All that needs to be said. /thread

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 08:53 AM) The other issue that Quintana would become the Royals' ace. So in that sense, one might demand and ace's price. Royals have a horrible rotation. Their pen is great, but might succumb to the pressure and over-work. Wouldn't surprise me if the Twins take this division. Meanwhile, Royals look like a team to do business with. It would surprise me a great deal. They're terrible. The Twins will end up with less than 80 wins. Their hot start was totally inflated by an out of this world batting average with RISP. It was, and has been, totally unsustainable. Unless Sano comes up mashes 25 homers and hits .300, and Santana comes back as an ace, and Buxton comes back in August and looks much better than he did in his 40 at bats, this is still a very bad team. I'd be less surprised to see the Sox pass the Twins than the Twins win the division. And this is coming from someone who lives in Minneapolis and has watched a sizable number of Twins games.