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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Sale has to be the starter Kuechel's been just as good.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 4, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Generally speaking: Betts is untouchable, you guys are treating him as merely a starting point for a deal. Swihart would be a realistic prized centerpiece, you guys are treating him like he could be the second or third piece. There's no way they'd give up both Margot and Devers, and probably only one of them if the centerpiece is a notch below Swihart. THey'd probably push hard to make on of those two THE centerpiece. Let me be clear: I'm NOT advocating trading Quintana. The best case scenario, realistically, is probably Swihart, Kopech/Chavis, two solid arms you haven't heard of. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just trying to be realistic. We need to remember that a young, controllable, above average position player is more valuable than a similar pitcher, and positional prospects are valued extremely highly right now. If that's the return, Q won't be traded.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 09:42 AM) I understand what you mean. And I think I agree. Here's the problem. They have awesome starting pitching and are only 5.5 back of the 2nd WildCard. It's easy for us to say this. We don't know what Reinsdorf thinks though. If Reinsdorf doesn't want Hahn/Williams to sell yet, then they won't be selling. I think they let this play out over the next 2 weeks. They obviously believe in the team that they put together. I don't know how many games they need to be back to decide to sell around July 30th. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Regardless, they don't have much to sell and they want to win again in 2016 It Is the offers that will dictate to who is moved. If the Sox keep winning, they're only going to trade SefuL pieces of it makes the team better in the very near future. Don't make trades for the sake of making trades! Bend a team over the chair or hold your guys.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 3, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) Guys, you know how we all make fun of those ridiculous bloggers who have ridiculous notions of their favorite players' trade values? That's what you all sound like. Really? One of the best 20-25 pitchers in the game signed long term to a very team friendly contract? Pay up...or you won't get him.

These proposed offers as brutal. Swihart would be fine as 1 of multiple pieces. No thanks to Cecchini, he is basicallly Gillaspie. Holt? Cmon now. Maybe Swihart, Betts, Bradley Jr. and Devars or Margot. Yeah, steep price, buytif you don't get a haul for Q, you don't trade him. It's that simple.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 07:21 PM) With our hole at 2B you have to have Wong in the deal Wongs D blows (nh). Nice player and bat to have at 2B but the sox need to improve their D, not make it worse.

I don't know if I'd take that deal if the Sox only had Sale signed for 1.5 more seasons at $30M per. And the guy called Sale "one of the best 15 pitchers in the game." Hilarious. All that needs to be said. /thread

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 08:53 AM) The other issue that Quintana would become the Royals' ace. So in that sense, one might demand and ace's price. Royals have a horrible rotation. Their pen is great, but might succumb to the pressure and over-work. Wouldn't surprise me if the Twins take this division. Meanwhile, Royals look like a team to do business with. It would surprise me a great deal. They're terrible. The Twins will end up with less than 80 wins. Their hot start was totally inflated by an out of this world batting average with RISP. It was, and has been, totally unsustainable. Unless Sano comes up mashes 25 homers and hits .300, and Santana comes back as an ace, and Buxton comes back in August and looks much better than he did in his 40 at bats, this is still a very bad team. I'd be less surprised to see the Sox pass the Twins than the Twins win the division. And this is coming from someone who lives in Minneapolis and has watched a sizable number of Twins games.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 03:08 PM) Eventually, the 84 or 86, whatever he is throwing these days, has to come back and hurt him. Probably when he signs a White Sox contract. But he seems to be, even with a few less ticks on the gun, the exact same guy he has always been. Yeah...but we've been saying that since 09. The guy just knows how to pitch.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) According to fangraphs, he has put up $57 million in value. I think his contract was for $55 million with half a season to go. One free agent who worked out. It would have been interesting if the Sox held on to him. Would they have made the playoffs in 2012? Would Sale have become a closer? Who knows. Wouldn't mind trading Q for a haul and signing Buehrls in the offseason.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) Nightengale coming on MLB next to discuss white sox trade possibilities Anybody get a chance to listen to this?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) Cards start a 4-game set with San Diego tomorrow. Ahh...misread the schedule. Even more reason they'll do everything they can do get this in.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) I don't see this game being played. I hope the call it sooner than risk everyone going to the game. I doubt they'll do that. They obviously don't return to STL, but both teams do have an off day tomorrow.

This game gonna happen today?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) I'm not sure we have a "reliable" lefty right now...and "sign someone else to a spendy deal" is exactly how we wound up with that current lefty of questionable reliability. What else do you suggest? It costs money to sign decent players.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 09:26 AM) I would try to sell high on Putnam at the deadline. Might be able to get something of value for him. And if someone would take on Duke's contract, I'd definitely let him go for the salary relief. Agreed on Putnam. With Duke, the Sox finally have a usuful LH reliever. Yeah, he's overpaid a bit, but we'll be right back without a reliable lefty next year. Or else they'll just have to sign some ther lefty to a spendy deal Cuz that's the way FA works.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) Jermaine Dye and Jim Thome worked out pretty well. Dye had 200 PA in the NL, 6800 in the AL.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) I think the Sox should purge the entire organization and start over. There is precedence. As constructed, it's clearly not working. I'd be open to trading Sale because I don't think it's ever wise to work under the assumption that a pitcher will remain dominant over the course of several years. Sure, there are plenty that do, but I wouldn't count on it Obviously, it's tough with Sale because you'll never get equal value, but we're so far away that it won't matter. Even if most of the players were playing to expectations, we'd be mediocre to bad IMO. This team doesn't have a lot of talent and it's the worst defensive team I've ever seen. I don't think much of Eaton or Ave and I don't like Johnson and Anderson as middle infield prospects. Root for the Cubs!!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) They'll be able to get something for him but if they want something big-league ready or close to it they won't get anyone that impressive. Closest I could find to a guy like that, 3 months remaining and ~3 win player last year was the Brandon McCarthy deal and he brought back Vidal Nuno, 26 year old reliever I haven't heard of until right now. 2 months of Andrew Miller turned into Eduardo Rodriguez last year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) The one thing he does say that makes total sense is if the White Sox don't think they can win for 3 or 4 years, they should, if the packages were right, trade these guys. Aaaaaand no one disagrees with him....

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) Ffs. 1. The Sox need to start over. 2. They are 3-4 years from winning. 3. Sale and Abreu have small windows. 4. The Sox shouldn't be afraid to move them. 5. They don't sell tickets. 6. Southsider has a long standing argument that the Sox can't afford to rebuild because of the fickle fanbase. When you trade guys like Sale and Abreu, you hope to get someone who is like Sale and Abreu down the road. The Sox have both of these guys locked up at well below market prices for the foreseeable future. I don't think they are "scared to move them", but I think the price to acquire both players is so high that neither will be moved - which I am fine with. If the Dodgers come around and offer Urias, Seager and Grandal for Sale - I would think the Sox would be willing to discuss, but anything short of that, forget it.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) LOL. I never said you should them. I said you shouldn't be afraid to move them You're making less and less sense with each post.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) They don't have stars as it is. They have some great players, but they aren't stars. It really couldn't be worse. Sale and Abreu don't sell tickets. Baseball doesn't work like that anymore. Winning and beer sells tickets. The team is abysmal. Attendance is abysmal. They don't have the assets to build around the 3 or 4 good players they have. They're dangerously close to being the Raiders of baseball. Uhhh...Sale is probably the best pitcher in baseball, if not he's top 3. How is that not a star???

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) His proposed Sale to the Cubs trade is Schwarber, Baez, and Alcantara. I can't respect him after that proposal, to call it a joke is a complete understatement. I would burn down Rick Hahn's office if he made that trade. Agreed. That proposal is a joke. Sale's return would be unprecedented. Maybe Urias, Seager and Grandal get the Sox listening, but that I still don't think that's enough...maybe taking Danks contract too. He way undervalues Abreu. If he was a FA this offseason, he would have gotten a $200M deal. He'd get the Sox a HAUL if they wanted to move him. I don't think the Sox are thinking of moving Abreu or Sale, but it does make some sense if you could get Seager, Urias and Grandal for Sale and something slightly less for Abreu. Then trade Shark, Robertson and anything else that is able to be moved (Alexei, LaRoche, Beckham, etc.) and get as much as you can. It's intriguing, but this isn't going to happen.

How is Nieto an All Star? He is hitting .210.