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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) I am still leaning towards the Sox trying to sign the Sharkmeister to a 3-5 year deal. Hopefully though the figure is more in line with a sum of $14M a year. The whole team has stunk this year so you can't just say it's Smards faulty and trade him away for unknown commodities. I am of the pinion that we won't see and fire sale as the management thinks next year will be better with the talent we have. Of course we may see some mid-level moves I wouldn't hate that - but as others have said, the Sox clearly need help on offense. Trade the guy for a bat and lets see what Erik Johnson can do. We could always sign him this offseason (although that is probably pretty unlikely if we deal him).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) Neither Robertson nor Abreu are anywhere close. Ehh..Jose probably won't make it unless he gets hot the next few weeks, but even tho he has been a disappointment compared to last season, his numbers will keep him in the conversation.

You answered your own question.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) The Rays have had the 180 degree difference of the White Sox season. Touche.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 19s20 seconds ago #WhiteSox for 6/22: Eaton 8, Garcia 9, Abreu 3, Cabrera 7, LaRoche DH, Ramirez 6, Beckham 5, Soto 2, Sanchez 4. Danks vs. Milone. Clean up hitter is hitting .172 and 5-hole hitter is batting .192 against LHP, which Milone is. Yikes..

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) That's an aberration. Historically, the teams that spend money and have veteran players are the teams that usually compete for playoff spots. Hah, I realize that. But still, minus Longoria, that Rays team looks an awful lot like a AAA club. Its unreal what they've done to this point.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) I picked up Tommy Milone in fantasy specifically to spot start him today and I am exceedingly happy with my decision. Hah, as did I!!

Been to every Sox game at Target Field this year, but going to pass on this one. Just got a puppy for one, so she keeps me busy, but this team has just plain worn me out. But they'll probably win since I am not there!

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) If they had a salary level like Miami and played AAA guys all of the time, that's actively trying to lose. You mean like the Rays - who lead the Al East?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) On June 9 2010, the Sox were 25-33, 8 games under .500 same as now. They then went on a 25-5 run to get to 50-38. I know people will say that this team doesn't have that in them, but they would have said the same thing about the 2010 team. I'm not saying I'm expecting it but I'm not going to start looking forward to draft position. Bingo.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) I wasn't clear on that. I mean another prospect, as in, more than one top notch BA prospect... Such as a top guy from the Cubs, plus a top guy from another team to get Castro, and then we can talk about another piece or two to finish the deal. Yep. Maybe something like Casto, Schwarber, Almora and another top 6-8 guy in the Cubs system, plus a top 5 guy in all of baseball from another team would get the Sox listening. But, as you know, Sale isn't going anywhere. To land him, you'd have to clear out a top 5 farm system, and I don't think that is going to happen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) If the Sox were to trade Q or Sale, Starlin Castro would be literally worthless to them. There would be absolutely no reason for them to take on a big contract and a brand name player, unless they were getting an actual superstar back. If we traded Chris Sale for Gio Stanton, sure. For Starlin Castro? Yeah, the only way that works is if it is a three way deal that brings back another Top 5 BA prospect in the deal. Castro and a top 5 prospect is nowhere near enough to land Sale.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) At this point, the Sox are so far out of it, they have no fighting chance. This season is over. Now it's time to root for a high draft pick because we need to build up the minor league system. Hopefully the best on board when the sox pick next season is a hitter, but i wouldm't mind the best on board being another pitcher because it seems like pitchers are the only thing the sox can capably develop. The sox has been drafting better ever since they drafted Sale, so we got that going for us. Hawkins prolly has 1 or 2 more minor league seasons before being written off as a bust. BUT BUT BUT FANGRAPHS PLAYOFF OFFS STILL HAVE THE SOX WITH A 4.0% CHANCE OF MAKING IT!

The Hickman they just drafted and signed?

I doubt it. IIRC, he went through something much more difficult a few years ago when his father in law was killed/murdered. I don't remember all of the details, but I remember hearing about it towards the end of that season and being impressed with Alexei's fortitude. But he has been just awful this year.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:01 AM) How buddy bell is still employed is beyond me. There is no marketing in the world that can save this team. They have not scored in the last 25 innings which is not even saying much for this team. What has Hahn really done.......Eaton and Peavy trades are not looking all that promising. Reed trade nope. I want to believe that kw is still guiding things and if so it is time for him to go as well as I never thought he constructed teams all too well. 2005 is becoming a detrament to this organization. This rudderless ship seems to be the way things will be for a while. There is a stink to this organization that is getting worse with the good old boys loyalty network. Thank god David Robertson is in the pen for that one game a week he is needed. He should be a salary dump. The bolded parts of your comment are pretty ill-informed. The Sox turned Peavy, a backend of the rotation pitcher, into a a guy who could be in the middle of the Sox order for the next several years. Sure, Avi has struggled the last few weeks, but c'mon man. Eaton has also struggled, but I wouldn't call that trade a failure just yet. Reed? The dude is about to get expensive and isn't even a closer anymore? Hardly a bad trade..hasn't really worked out for either club. Salary dump Robertson? GTFO.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Actually Phegley is having a good year so far both offensively and throwing out runners. In 78 ABs...Micah Johnson for example has 74 ABs. Sample sizes are your friend.

Let's string a few together boys...I am referring to wins, but I'd take hits too.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Everything is lax, or it seems that way. This is sorta my thoughts. At what point do the Sox need someone who will light a fire under their collective asses when they don't show up??

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) Trade them for what? More veterans? For hitting prospects of equal ability? The latter is fine by me, but the Sox had the best hitter in the draft fall right in their lap and they passed him on. If one decries the Shark trade (as I also do) it's tough to trade the few young players we have. 2017 is a better target, just like 2016 was 6 months ago There have been good young players available for players like Shark and middle relievers. The Sox need to find a couple. What exactly do you hate about the Shark trade? Yeah, he's been pretty damn mediocre. But it looked worse when Semien was hitting, but he is hitting .180 the past month and is literally one of the most comically bad shortstops in recent history. Phegley is garbage, Ravelo hasn't appeared in a game this year and Bassit has been Ok but unspectacular in AAA. It hasn't really panned out to this point, but let's not act like the SOX gave up their future.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) As long as there is no big DL stint, I'd put a lot of money on that. Of course, your previous posts suggest he will never even be replacement level again. Me too. He put up 12.1 WAR the previous four seasons, and that includes a -.1 WAR season in 2013. He can be less than half the player he was those four seasons, and still be a 4.0 WAR player over the course of his time with the SOX. But go ahead, jump off the bridge!!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 02:05 PM) Problems: 1. In reply to the bolded, I first say "Adam Dunn". I second say "Alex Rios". We have a history with this. 2. Melky Cabrera is a possibly worse case than either of those because I can actually say one big reason why Melky would physically fall apart completely that is likely not present in either of those cases. 1. Just randomly grabbing two players who were better before coming to Chicago than they were when the arrived in Chicago doesn't really prove anything. "Alex Rios" wasn't exactly a great player when the Sox claimed him, hence, he wouldn't have been on non-revocable waivers to begin with. 2. So if you're saying Melky has sucked due to the lack of PEDs, why didn't he suck last year too then? Look, I am not some Melky apologist. He's been a big issue. I just think calling his next 2.5 years in a White Sox uniform a sunk cost due to a poor 60 game stretch is silly.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) If a team was willing to take on Melky's contract right now and the Sox get nothing in return, I think the Sox would jump at that deal. More than maybe anyone else in baseball, there are questions about Melky's ability without performance-enhancers. If so far what we've seen is the clean version of Melky, then his contract is going to be a huge albatross. Melky was busted for PEDs in 2012. He had 1000 plate appearances after getting caught in which he put up an OPS + of 119. It's not the roids.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) John Danks has been worth 0.4 fWAR so far this season. You can probably believe that, he's had a couple solid starts so he's not great but has helped in a few games. Melky Cabrera has been worth -0.8 fWAR so far this season. He's been that bad. You may have confidence in him turning it around, but at the rate he's going right now he's "Worth less than nothing". He could be better than this and still make John Danks look like a bargain. A guy that has has been a 124 OPS+ hitter the past four years doesn't fall off a cliff over the course of an offseason. Yes, Melky has been horrible, no doubt. But he is not a sunk cost.

Let's see how the next 25 games go.