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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) I for one hope we do have Rios after the trade deadline and into next year. I think he is as good an OF'er and hitter with speed as anyone we have on the team and in our system. He is in demand, but the one that we should be discussing is Viciedo. What is up with that guy? He has an above average arm and it's exciting to see him throw out baserunners but where is his hitting? Where are the homers we saw in 2012? I sure don't want to see us give up Rios for some AA prospect and then throw in cash at the same time, if in fact he is traded. Rios offensively has contributed to the Sox in a positive manner. I don't see this team in a must trade situation where we tear everything down to rebuild. Tweaking works just fine for me I have said it over, over, and over again. The SOX will NOT trade Rios (or Peavy) unless they get what they want.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) That article said they both combined are worth $4 million. That's scary bad in this economy. That's Francouer-like. I don't mind having Alexei on the Sox. I'd dump Rios for whatever we can get and force the future to begin in right field. $4M surplus value, not what they're worth.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) Crazy? Two guys we are desperate to get rid of? I don't understand reasoning sometimes. Probably the same reason why absolutely no one who posts here understands yours.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 07:28 PM) What other pitchers are above him? Would you trade Kershaw for Sale straight up? Lol, no. Harvey is the only one you consider there that I can think of. Exactly. Sale's real value is in the top 5, easy. People will be a slow to recognize it due to his quirks, but if he stays healthy and electric, it won't take much longer. Is Kershaw a better pitcher today? Maybe. But you take Sale w/ 6.5 years of control at an incredibly team-friendly rate over Kershaw and 1.5 years of control every, single, day. That is just one example of the many guys who will be 1-15.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 05:57 PM) I'd guess something like Peavy, Rios and $10 mill to the Rangers for 2 B prospects and a youngish backup on their ML roster. Good lord, I am happy you're not the GM. If the SOX are moving Rios, Peavy and sending $10M in the deal, they better be getting some very legitimate talent ready to produce by next year. If not, why trade them? Neither have outrageous contracts. No point in trading guys just to trade them, the SOX have plenty of money coming off the books in the next 36 months. I just don't think the SOX will trade guys to drop payroll to $60M and be the Marlins next year, and the move you suggested would be just that.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 05:38 PM) I'm ready for a bunch of deals just to get some new blood in here...I'm reading Bears notes in freaking July and that's not right. I've been reading college hoops stuff for a couple weeks now as well, even more not right. Its a bummer, really. It will definitely be interesting to see the moves, but I am starting to think that Crain and maybe one other player, say De Aza, will be traded. Peavy and Rios are here unless someone overpays, which is good. Danks and Dunn are probably gone if someone takes on their salaries, and throws in a lottery ticket A baller, but that's unlikely. Lindstrom could go, but the SOX have a nice option on him next year - he wouldn't be a terrible guy to keep around. Addison isn't going anywhere, nor is Tank or Beckham. Alexei is a wild card because I think the SOX would move him if they were to acquire someone to play short (such as Chris Ownings from the DBacks in a Rios / Crain deal), but that is probably unlikely as well. If the dominoes start rolling though, you never know. Some fresh blood, and some legit young bats would definitely be refreshing.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) No. I would trade Dunn and cash to the Orioles for their pick though. I wouldn't. Maybe that pick, an A-ball lottery ticket, and they pick up the entire contract.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) I've been thinking about this. I still say there's no way in hell anybody takes Dunn off the Sox hands. Sox paid him an insane amount of money. He'll still be here striking out until the final day of that deal. Your logic is so flawed across so many topics it is mind numbing. Dunn is overpaid, for sure. But not by much. If he was a FA after this year, I bet he'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal between $10-$12 per annum. There are 35-40 players who make more money in 2013 that Adam Dunn. He is currently tied for 5th in MLB in HRs, which is what he was brought in here to do. He is tied for 18th in MLB in RBI, the other thing he was brought in here to do. Dunn has flat out been one of the worst players in baseball at times with the SOX, but at others he has been exactly what they thought they were getting when the signed him. If he a flawed player? For sure. Adam has been overpaid for the production he has provided, but insane is nowhere near the right word to describe his salary.

Unfortunately I had to miss it, but I am looking for highlights. If you come across some, please post. Thanks.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 07:33 PM) I agree, a Crain for Parker trade would be awesome. Parker can be a young guy to build the team around and play RF next year if Rios is traded. I don't think he is a stud prospect, but a guy who can possibly put up a .250 BA and .350 OBP, knock out 20-25 homers, and drive in 75 plus every year while playing above average D (although he might wind up in LF if he gets any slower). So pretty much Dayan's floor? Who everyone around here is ready to give up on.

The White Sox. He isn't getting traded.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) The market for Rios is really weak right now. He won't be traded then, which is fine with me.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) I thought that 87-88mph slider/cutter looked great Played HS baseball with the catcher on Hunstville. Crazy.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 12:11 PM) There's a lot of chatter about Morales and Schierholtz for Pittsburgh. That might be a better scenario for Pirates. They could get Kendrys Morales to play 1B and Schierholtz to platoon with Tabata in RF and it's still cheaper than Rios. Schierholtz blows.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) If everyone including bucket thinks the player out of favor is De Aza, does anyone think we can actually get value for him? Offensively, minus the strikeouts, he has had a great year so far out of the leadoff hole. I do not think he is a leadoff hitter but lower in the order that can provide speed can be lethal especially in the NL. DeAza is another one of those guys that the SOX may be better off just keeping him for now. I doubt he'd fetch much, and he is actually pretty productive offensively. He is frustrating defensively for sure, and even at the plate, but I think the SOX are better off holding onto him, moving him to the 7 or 8 spot next year. Problem is, where does he play if Tank is in LF, which is where he should be for now. He is not great in CF, and to me doesn't really seem to be a winner. IF the SOX can move DeAza for something of value, he's probably gone.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) I thought he got HBP. Why did he have to bat? He was hit earlier in the game, as was Tank. Just a high up and in pitch when he started towards the mound.

The only way you move Sale is if you literally get 5 of a teams top 8 prospects, in a farm that is highly regarded. It is just not worth it. Sale's contract is a steal, and he is one of the best 5 pitchers in the game. The SOX may not compete next year, or even in 2015, but they still have control over him for 4 more season after that. No way he is traded, because the package would literally have to decimate one of the best farm systems in baseball.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:45 PM) Why Alexei back to the two hole? Go with the hotter Beckham or the left-handed Gillaspie No s***. I like Gordo in the two hole. It makes a lot of sense at this point.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) Sounds like the Yanks have moved to Michael Young to play 3B/1B. The Phillies have said they are not very inclined to move him, so we'll see. Sadly, Kepp has been one of, if not the best, hitter on the SOX since mid May. I am all for trading him, but he really is a useful UT guy on a playoff team. I wouldn't trade him for salary relief only.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) He'd be a great for a "bust for bust" change of scenery type trade Not many busts hit 25 homers and drove in 80 last year. SOX are way, way, way better off keeping Tank around for another year before giving up on him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) When Rios came to the Sox, he was basically having the same year in Toronto that he is having now, and all the Blue Jays got for him was salary relief. The question will be do the Sox want to pay him to play here the rest of this year or next, because the return probably isn't going to be a highly rated prospect. He also had 5.5 years remaining on his contract at an average annual value north of $10M. Now he has 1.5 years left at a reasonable rate and an option year. Far different circumstances. I have said this several times regarding the possibility of moving Rios - the SOX are not going to trade him if they don't get a meaningful piece back. Why on earth would they? No one is knocking on the door the minors in RF, he is paid what he deserves to be paid, if not less, and he is one of the guys that actually improves this team. If he a mental midget? Yes. Is he soft? Yes. Does he always play hard? No. But Rios is a very solid everyday player that is signed to a reasonable contract. If they can't get a very good prospect for him, keep him in RF until 2015, or until someone gets desperate and overpays. There is ZERO point in trading him off for nothing more than salary relief.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) I've been saying it for a while, but we've been spoiled with good play at SS for about a decade. Ramirez might be the most under appreciated Sox player of my lifetime. Seriously. I agree, and that's what makes moving Alexei so hard. Maybe he is more respected / appreciated among GMs themselves, but I just don't see it likely that the SOX will win a trade involving Ramirez, short term or long term. With that said, Alexei has been one of the SOX biggest problems this year, while he at times is one of the most valuable players on the team. Hard to understand. I'd personally keep Alexei, Alex and Peavy around if the SOX cannot get 1 major league ready prospect who is ready to legitimately contribute in return for each of them. Move everybody else.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) Ramirez SS Beckham 2B Rios RF Keppinger 1B Phegley C Viciedo DH Morel 3B Wells LF Tekotte CF 50 losses down. 50 to go. Let's do this! That is one gross lineup.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2013 -> 11:31 PM) But he also stunk in 2011. Seeing what we get for Rios is really going to be interesting. We're going to learn what people think of Alex Rios. Meh, I disagree. If the SOX don't get what they want for Rios, they won't move him. I think the SOX should trade everyone they can, but Rios is a guy that actually makes the team better. If they can't get what they want for him, keep him in RF through 2015.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) We'll get garbage for Keppinger, maybe a really raw low level prospect at best. Its either that or a AAAA type player. Sign me up. I don't have a problem with Kepp, but I'd rather give his ABs to someone else at this point, like Morel. A Gillaspie / Morel platoon would be fine.