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Where did anyone with the White Sox state that they're "giving" Andrus the 2nd base job? He's obviously the most qualified person on the roster, but just because they signed him does not mean that Romy or Sosa cannot earn the job in ST, or throughout the season. You're usually a big depth guy, so surprised to see you make this take other than it being the negative one towards the Sox. Its the exact type of move you'd be pounding the table about all season "Who could have possibly thought that Romy would be bad and hurt, and Sosa would be completely overwhelmed by major league RHP!?! Dumb White Sox!!" Seriously though, if Sox didn't sign Elvis, Romy earned the job and had like a 60 wRC+ thru May, and Sosa wasn't performing super well in Charlotte, then what? Play Leury more? Wouldn't you rather have a guy like Elvis around to backstop that? At least he'll play good defense, and is an intelligent baseball player. Elvis obviously is not going to re-create his 3 week run of excellence with the Sox in 2023, but he's also very likely an improvement on the other options they have. Its not like $3M is a lot of money or stopping the Sox from signing better players at this point, because there aren't any available.

You’re probably right. I just think they may give it a few more weeks.

It’s available but 60 day clock doesn’t start til opening day.

Yeah, but they’re probably not gonna. Crochet is gonna be ready before June 1. And there seems to be a good amount of optimism on Liam the last week.

OD roster: C Grandal, Zavala IF Anderson, Andrus, Garcia, Gonzalez, Moncada, Sheets, Vaughn OF Benintendi, Jimenez, Robert, marisnick P Avila, Bummer, Cease, Clevinger, Diekman, Giolito, Graveman, Kelly, Kopech, Lambert, Lopez, Lynn, Ruiz IL: Crochet, Hendriks Sheets down for Colas a couple weeks into season. RF covered by mixture of Sheets, Marisnick, Leury and Romy in the interim.

One thing I will say, is that I still hope they give Romy a decent shake at winning the job. He’s most likely just a guy, but you’ll never know if you don’t give him regular reps. But you’ll never see me complain about depth, especially depth as professional as Elvis with a great glove.

Sure, why not? I’ve said several times throughout this off-season that I would take Elvis late in the game for $3M, and here we are.

Might be a bit of a hot take but between Gio, Katz and Hahn’s comments on Liam and his presence, I’d be surprised if he isn’t back by June.

They aren’t? Clevinger is largely getting absolutely grilled by fans, media, message board posters etc.

I think part of the reason they looked slow last year was because Tony told everyone to not hustle. I thought Eloy looked pretty thin in this clip.

Yah. I have no doubt Clevinger is a POS and is not a good father or partner to his significant others. But there is also a decent bit out there that sheds her in not exactly the most credible light. Even in the interview she sort of zig zagged back and forth.

Stick Moncada at 2B assuming a better option hasn't presented itself in 2023. I've been as staunchly against moving Moncada to 2B as anyone, but if its Manny playing 3B, you move Yoan all day, especially with just one year left on his deal. Mentioned it yesterday, but I think something clicks for Moncada this year. Its obvious the dude like money. If he doesn't bounce back next two seasons, he's looking a cheap 1 year deal as a utility type in 2025. I don't think he wants that. I am hopeful we see a different player in 23.

Yoan isn't done getting paid means we're going to get good Yoan the next 2 years. Same goes for TA.

I guess I don't really see the difference. I am a huge baseball fan. I am a bigger White Sox fan. If the White Sox went away tomorrow - sure my consumption would go down some. But baseball is a huge part of my life, and I would likely adopt a new team, and over time become more passionate. It wouldn't be the same, but that love of the game doesn't just go away. Like I said, I am very excited for the 2023 White Sox season. I am 32 years old. The Sox haven't exactly been a juggernaut in my lifetime. In the last 30 years, the Sox have won over 90 games 3 times. The Sox current roster is easily one of the best 5 since I was in like middle school - so yah, I am excited. I don't see the point in pouting about s%*# I cannot change. I get the frustration - even as a more optimistic fan, I hate Jerry with a passion, and really struggle to understand how an org can make basically every wrong decision for 2 years straight years, how Hahn is still employed, how they let TLR ruin 2 seasons of this window, etc. But I am not going to let that take away my excitement from what is nearly certain to be a very entertaining baseball season.

She isn't wrong. It puts our obsession in perspective.

I hear ya. The ownership of this organization makes it very hard.

I'm excited as hell. Its all about what you make of it. This is nothing more than a hobby of watching grown men in goofy outfits running around on grass playing a game on a daily basis, after all. If you cannot enjoy it, probably best to step away (not directly at you really, but just in general).

I think Hahn made himself pretty clear yesterday that Clevinger wouldn’t be here if the org had the choice. He basically said it without saying it multiple times. Definitely recommend all Sox fans take the 35 mins and listen to the presser.

Sure. Seems to me if Padres turn down 2/$32M, he's likely hurt or was not good. If that scenario, he's probably taking the guaranteed $18.5M. Sure there is some wiggle room between that and 2/$32M, but its a pretty fine line.

Not really a $7.5M deal at all. He's guaranteed at least $26M via the player options if the Pads turn down the 2/$32M after 2023.

Yep, kinda figured just wasn't positive. Guess it will be telling on Liam if they don't put him on it. Fingers crossed for good news.

Honest question I should know the answer to, but I am not 100% sure - if you were to place Liam and/or Crochet on 60 day IL today, are they available 60 days from today or 60 days from Opening Day? I would assume 60 days from today, but not 100% confident in that. Hahn seemed optimistic on Crochet yesterday, and also seemed to hint towards Liam being available at some point. Sounds like Liam will be in camp a good amount, but they won't give any sort of timeline until closer to Opening Day.

Turns out this was just a rumor and not accurate. Hahn addressed this in his media availability yesterday and I quote "I don't suspect you'll see him (TLR) here - perhaps we can get him out to come sit and watch a game or something....to enjoy some ball." Pretty blunt and clear.

Thank you very much for sharing that video.

Tough way to go about fandom. Just look for things to be miserable about daily for 50+ years. Woof.