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Charlotte rotation is now likely Martin, Alexy, Stiever, Burke, and Bilbous…with one of Martin/Alexy having a decent chance at the 5th SP role of a vet isn’t added and Clevinger suspended. Improvmewnt from last year, but still think another arm or two would be good. Burke going back to BHam to start would be ideal.

Id take any of Minor, Archer, Kuhl or Bundy on milb deals. Same for the rumored Pineda deal.

That’s fair. And to be honest, I agree with most everything you said and as far as Sox fans / this board goes, side with your take on this much more than most. That said, Clevinger is a scumbag and I hope he never pitches a game for the Sox even though they’re clearly better if he does as currently constructed. I hope he gets hit with a 162+ game ban and blackballed from the league like Bauer appears to be. I am in no way condoning the DV allegations here, but the child abuse accusations takes this a very clear step further for me. It’s also just another distraction (as minor as it may ultimately be), that is clubhouse does not need.

I mean, I would hope some of the guys have a problem with sharing a locker room with a guy that pushed around his gf and throws/pours chew spit at his infant child…. and yes, I agree that they cannot just release him until the league has spoken. But do think they should tell him to not bother coming to camp if there isn’t a resolution in the next couple weeks, or ask the league to put him on administrative leave while they continue to sort it out.

Lol. Have you looked at this clubs pitching depth sans Clevinger? Sox should be claiming every SP with upside that becomes available. If you have to DFA the guy again a few days later, so what. There is no reason be upset about this move.

I don’t see how Clevinger in camp wouldn’t be a pretty significant distraction, at least initially. Also cannot image that multiple guys on the team will take major issues with the allegations. It’s just messy. I don’t think Sox should release him because I think they’ll get some of that $8M back if they don’t, and I’d rather they have that $ to invest elsewhere. But I also don’t really want him in camp.

This is good. We need like 2 more of these before April.

Lol, wouldn’t we all. One may cost $15M AAV, the other a milb deal. Id happily take Pineda on a minor league deal. We need all the SP depth we can get.

Has anyone else confirmed this?

A depth claim!

Since this team is a dumpster fire, they probably surprise us all and win 95 games.

It’s accessible, so that’s nice.

Already selling off TA, I see!

In honor of the old Miami Marlin sign and akin to the Brewers slide, install Tony's face on one of the pinwheels and each time we hit a home run, launch him into the sky.

That is what I call a bargain.

We won't miss ya!

The Sox did have a terrible offseason. No doubt. But pointing to Abreu and the fact that they didn't hit for power last season as the main reasons displays a lack of understanding of the larger problem with the roster construction. Key players staying healthy, getting better defensively and getting more left handed were far more important than paying a declining Abreu $19M AAV, or whatever it was, to block fixing the defense and left handed issues. Love Pito; wish he was a Sox for life. But it was the right decision.

Not having money doesn’t stop them from claiming a guy like Justus Sheffield who they passed on today and would almost certainly be at worst the 6th best SP in the org if we’re not counting Clevinger.

Seems like a step in the right direction. Searching for positives these days.

There was never a doubt. Glad to see this done. tho. Has Jason really been doing this 8 years? No way that's right. edit: started in 2016. Man, time flies.

Yep. He decided to give it a go with his boy Tony. Seems once that failed, he decided to pull back. I personally dgaf about this stupid bar, but the rendering looks terrible and par for the course. Not to be morbid, but the man is 86 years old. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Yah, I mean re DFA him in a couple days and try slip thru waivers if you have to…just to try to get some SP depth. Just really don’t get the lack of aggression on that front.

Strange.

The money wasn't really dropped into 2024 though. The $4M buyout was either going to be paid in 2023 when they bought Clevinger out in November, or never paid because they exercised the option. You can do all the mental gymnastics you'd like about budgeting and reallocating $s from year to year to fit your negative narrative, but when you need to find an everyday OF and a SP that needs to make 20+ starts because you have zero SP depth after your top 4 and the owner gives you a very limited amount of $ to do so, there aren't exactly a boat load of options to make that work. Now, much of that shitty situation was Hahn's own doing. But its pretty obvious that earlier in the rebuild process ownership told him there would be more $ to spend that ultimately was available. Maybe Covid had a role in that; certainly TLR driving the team into a wall was a contributing factor. Hahn himself did more than his fair share of burning needless cash along the way, and for that, he should have lost job. Not sure that KW, Chris Getz or Jeremy Faber would have made things any different tho, and if Hahn is gone, 99.99% chance one of those 3 are running the show. Why's that? Jerry Reinsdorf.

I am not defending Hahn at all. He should have lost his job this offseason. Clevinger for 1/$12M was fine without knowledge that he was a domestic and child abuser. I am just saying the perhaps Clevinger was fine with the structure because he knew that MLB was investigating him and that the buyout was getting paid regardless of suspension. Not exactly sure how that’s outsmarting anyone when it wasn’t public knowledge, but whatever.