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These two don’t even make this team a contender for a .500 season.

Rojas played a damn good 3B for the Mariners last season and is equally capable of covering 2B. The bat leaves a lot to be desired though, which is likely why the M's non-tendered him. Odd that he would choose to come to this mess, cuz I can't see Getz giving the 3B job to anyone but suckass Vargas.

I love Josh Rojas with all of my heart and I simply won't stand for such slander! But, you're not wrong.

157 plate appearances after a mid season trade might not be a large sample size, but he's had over 500 AB's in the bigs. At some point we have to stop clinging to his former prospect status from years ago and look at what he has done in the Majors. And his Major League numbers aren't pretty, which, to me, are more predictive of who he is and will be than his AAA numbers or prospect ranking from years past.

This. Both of these guys are likely inconsequential, its the process that is flawed and baffling.

I'd rather keep the low-A bullpen arm honestly, even if he never amounts to anything. Which, knowing the GM's track record for development, seems pretty likely.

I don't think anyone is gnashing their teeth over losing an 8th round pick, its the trading a 23 year old for a 31 year old who doesn't bring back experience or leadership or any tangible contribution for the use of a 40 man spot. It's just strange.

And the qualm is trading young for old, not whether a pick has issues.

Or, and hear me out, Getz hasn't a fucking clue what he's doing.

It would be nice if our GM had a track record of success to lean on that inspired confidence...

Getzy out here acquiring the who's who of dudes I've never heard of.

The premise of this thread is that they have to give him AB's to see what they have, and I'm simply suggesting that we've seen enough that nothing should be a given with him. If you look at the whole of his Major League body of work, and not simply some very cherry picked numbers in LA last season, you get the picture of a dude who has failed miserably and has shown little ability to adjust. He wouldn't be the first prospect to tear up AAA and flame out in the Bigs. The Sox gave him everyday AB's after the trade, nearly twice as many as his 2024 in LA, and he was abysmal. Yes he is out of options, but that alone shouldn't entitle him to playing ahead of anyone else in my book. He has to earn it just as much as anyone else. There is no reason to compound the mistake of trading for him by playing him ahead of guys like Sosa or Ramos or anyone else who might still prove to be a useful piece.

That 108 OPS+ was in 80 plate appearances over 30 games. In nearly double the plate appearances with the Sox, he put up an OPS+ of 14. 14! In 304 PA over 81 games in 2023, he put up a stat line of .195/.305/.367, good for a .672 OPS and a 82 OPS+. Feels more like his 2024 with LAD was an outlier based more on favorable matchups than him figuring anything out at the plate to me. I have absolutely no idea why he cratered so bad here, but he did. While some regression to the mean is plausible, but nothing about him screams 'definitely have to give more AB's.' Vargas should be in the "earn it" camp just as much as any other failed prospect/AAAA project.

KW and Hahn were both plenty guilty of rushing guys.

Fletcher might survive as a 4th OF in the bigs, even if playing a good CF is a stretch. Vargas will have to hit to be a useful player, and so far in nearly 200 Major League games he simply hasn't. No bat DH's don't last very long in most orgs. But both being Getz acquisitions, they'll likely be allowed to fail even longer, long after when most GM's would simply cut bait.