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Bingo. His age vs where this roster is makes him incompatible.

They seem to fail or refuse to acknowledge that Ortiz’s value to a team like the White Sox is vastly different than to a team closer to contention. Top 50 prospect status is nice and all, but it means jacks s%*# to a rebuilding team when the prospect is already 25 going on 26 and has failed to crack the 26 man roster.

Would we have it any other way?

Your O’s have a young stud legit 3B they’re willing to trade for pitching? No? Still not willing to part with legit prospects? Yeah, their options aren’t dwindling at all…

Looks like Baltimore’s options are the ones dwindling now.

Incorrect. That's simply an error on my part. Its cute though that you're speaking to my motivations when you haven't a clue. In a vacuum, Ortiz has top 50 value, but I'm looking at him in context of building the Sox roster of the future. As the headliner, he's a non-starter, as a 2nd or 3rd piece, he becomes more interesting. I just don't think he's a valuable enough piece to headline a Cease deal.

Age and tools matter when searching for foundational pieces. Ortiz is not that to me.

And? I'm not overly enamored with the Yank's system. But a 26 y/o headliner is a non-starter for me no matter the ranking.

Trading Sewald sure was a head scratcher, and Muñoz sure as hell didn't take up the mantle. Would have been nice to have an experienced closer down the stretch. Dumping Geno and Kelenic is just icing on the s%*# filled cake. Cutting costs is one thing, but seriously, WTF are we doing here?

Which is understandable. But thinking he could headline a Cease trade certainly is not.

I looked at his splits and he played all over. What would you rank as his best defensive position?

Oh no, I wasn't expecting him to. If Seby is on the roster, then Garver makes much more sense as the primary DH.

I forgot about Seby. I read that they expected Garver to be the primary backup when he signed, so I was basing it on that. I really have no idea how Seby will factor in.

Nobody wants Baltimore's veteran castoffs. If they actually had value, they would have been traded for pitching already.

I am serious. And stop calling me Shirley.

No one has met the asking price yet, but here we are with reports of multiple teams in hot pursuit this very day. Choosing to ignore facts to double down on one's uninformed opinion while telling everyone else they are wrong is a bad look.

Garver is the backup to Cal, and it wouldn't surprise me if they both got starts at DH. Other than dumping useful players to shed salary, I have no idea what the Mariners are doing.

I read All Star break some time this winter, but August wouldn't surprise me either. He won't be ready to start the season that's for certain. Seattle did well to get out of the deal IMO.

Nice edit there guy. We may jab back and forth, but what you posted was uncool. I do hope the mods saw it. You are showing some serious reactionary immaturity here. We are all fans and have our perspectives, but this 'everyone who disagrees with me is wrong' bit has worn thin very fast.

I have no objection to this deal as an M's fan. Seattle has plenty of pitching to cover for Ray, and swapping out his salary for two veterans who fill needs makes perfect sense. Unlike some of the head scratching salary dumps so far this winter.

M's were on the cusp the final weekend. This offseason has been a slap in the face for fans, and I live thousands of miles away. Can't imagine the feeling locally.

Seriously! Like, read the fucking room dude.