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Brewers, Cub, and Mariners I’m sure would be happy to oblige. Though few things would be sweeter in this lost season than to go to the piss trough northside mall and play spoiler for a few games.

A mix of arrogance, ego, need for attention/adoration, and desire to feel relevant. What is clear is that he doesn’t want to do the work. He’d be coaching somewhere repairing his reputation if he did.

¡Más Garcías!

Who ever is in charge does seem to be snatching up recently DFA’d/released pitchers. Never hurts to add more depth.

If intentional, it's petty AF.

No.

Sounds like something a coaching staff *should* be able to help with, for as cerebral as Cease supposedly is. There is zero reason to keep Katz around if Pedro and staff are gone. He's nothing special and has had ample opportunity to show he had more to his methodology than increasing spin rate through sticky stuff, yet here we are. Cherry pick all you'd like, but in the year 2023 the Sox as a pitching staff rank in the bottom 10 in all of baseball in Team ERA, ERA+, BB, HR, ER, RA, HBP, FIP, WHIP, HR/9, & BB/9. Yes there is a lack of talent, but you can't look at those ranks and think coaching isn't at all a problem with this pithing staff, especially with the names and dollars spent.

That was the supposed reason, but the Cubs and other teams when through with theirs.

Right. Lest I forget the priorities.

Rick Hahn bounce back special?

Hopefully. But they’re gonna be desperate to cover innings next year.

In case you havent noticed, they are losing games either way. And we already have a roster full of guys that don’t play to win. So we should play the vets that are just happy to still draw a pay check, or still have a contract and just don’t give a s%*#? Keeping playing the vets that played themselves to a 46-69 record? That’s somehow your answer?

This

They don’t care how big of a mess they’ve made or how awful things are, they just don’t want to hear about it.

This.

Yes, since this is exactly what we are talking about. Come on dude. Wins and losses don’t matter at this point in a lost season. Playing vets to chase meaningless wins over developing talent is just stupid for a team 20 games under.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2023.shtml Click through the team standard pitching and tell me why Katz or anyone on the pitching side should be retained.

Is Cease injured this year? Explain that regression. Gio was awful last year. Explain that. Lynn too. Kopech has gone from promising prospect to afterthought, whose stuff has virtually disintegrated. Where is Katz on that? Don't even get me started on the bullpen. I'm not saying Katz is the sole reason for the struggles and regression, but I don't think he is some pitching savant either. To this point he is very replaceable.

The revisionist history here specifically is in the title of the thread. Which has been thoroughly debunked throughout. This thread isn't the first time posters have used revisionist history to pine for Ozzie's return. It is a fairly regular thing around these parts. Sox fans on this board and in the wider public tend to remember the good years Ozzie had. But there were more bad years than good. And a train wreck of a divorce. Ozzie had maybe 4 good years as White Sox manager, all of which were 15+ years ago. We just lived through TLR, yet people want to bring Ozzie back, as if the Ozzie of now is the same one that pulled all of the right strings in 2005. He isn't. And his most recent managerial experience, more than a decade ago, also says that he isn't. But Ozzie's voice, passion, and antiquated baseball knowledge are somehow still relevant, when he hasn't been in a dugout since 2012? I'm sorry, but the parts of the fanbase that pine for Ozzie's return need to look at the TLR experience we just lived through and connect the dots.

The on field results beg to differ.

He's still averaging almost 3 HR/9 and also has a much worse FIP in his 13 LA innings. He had a few nice outings for the Sox after mixing up his pitch arsenal too. We saw how long that lasted.

The Dodgets. Yes, the Dodgets.

2008 was how long ago? What relevance does that have now? Tony La Russa won a World Series more recently than Ozzie, and look at the catastrophe he was. Ozzie is just as out of touch with modern baseball as TLR is. What in the hell has Ozzie done in the past 15 years that makes him qualified to manage in Major League Baseball today? What has Ozzie even done to be even remotely relevant to modern baseball? I'll hang up and listen...

Lest we all forget about Nick Swisher, or intentionally playing an Adam Dunn hitting under .150 cleanup just to stick it to KW. Or the rotating Mark Kotsay DH disaster. I'm sure I could think of a few more if I wanted to kill a few more brain cells. Ozzie was a train wreck at the end, negotiated a deal with under team while still under contract here, and didn't even last more than a single year with said team because he couldn't stop running his mouth. He hasn't managed a big league game in longer than a decade, nor has he been willing to coach anywhere in MLB to rehab his rep. The notion that the short of s%*# we are seeing now wouldn't or didn't happen under Ozzie is complete fiction. The Ozzie revisionist history is beyond nonsensical and needs to stop.