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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/9/5/23860478/white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-chris-getz-rick-hahn-kenny-williams

Probably this based on JR's public comments.

More flotsam and jetsam.

February 7, 2005 - After one of the more acrimonious disputes in team history, four-time All-Star Magglio Ordonez signed a free agent deal with Detroit. Ordonez engaged Sox management in a war of words over how he was treated, the contract offered to him and his health status. Magglio’s agent, Scott Boras, refused to turn over medical information, which infuriated G.M. Kenny Williams and basically sealed Ordonez’s fate. Then manager Ozzie Guillen publicly called out Ordonez in no uncertain terms as well over the contract situation. Considering the severity of his knee injury, which required a secret trip to Austria for experimental surgery, it was hard to blame the Sox for their stance. Ordonez, who was almost traded to the Red Sox at the winter meetings in 2003 for Nomar Garciaparra, played with the team for six full seasons and parts of two others with 187 home runs and 702 RBI’s. In his full seasons he never hit less than .282 and in five of those years he was over .300.

The White Sox have been having issues with medical, training, conditioning people for decades. Remember KW holding his press conference and using part of it to defend the medical staff after "Shouldergate" and the charges from Sirotka?

"Winning is fun...fun is winning." - Ozzie Guillen

Merkin weighs in on the Burger trade: "Jake Burger has reached 30 home runs, 25 coming with the White Sox. And I don’t understand why he ever was traded from Chicago to the Marlins. That belief is completely independent of the talent possessed by Jake Eder, the left-handed pitcher the White Sox received in return. Eder already is ranked as the No. 5 White Sox prospect and might turn out to be a frontline starting pitcher. Burger still shouldn’t have been traded. People were quick to quote his swing-and-miss rate and his lack of walks, but the 2023 season was the first in which Burger received more than 185 plate appearances. His overall offensive ability remains untapped. There’s been a great deal of talk about leadership in relationship to this White Sox team, and Burger is a leader. It was pretty evident from the overall clubhouse disappointment after he was traded. He showed the ability to learn and adjust, which he has really been applying since missing three years of baseball due to injury. He also was willing to work at every challenge the White Sox gave him: third, first, second. If they wanted him at catcher, he would have done early work behind the plate. He wanted to win and wanted to win with the White Sox. Most of all, he had the ability to change games with one swing, which is missing from this lineup, aside from Luis Robert Jr."

You haven't figured that out by now? JR wants to win...but he wants to win HIS way. Big difference.

September 5, 1993 - In a game at Detroit, Sox star slugger Frank Thomas belted his 40th home run of the year. It marked the first time a Sox player ever hit that many in a season. Thomas’ shot came off Mike Moore in the first inning of the Sox 5-3 win. September 5, 2011 – In the back half of a day/night double header in Minnesota, Sox pitcher Zach Stewart fired a one-hitter beating the Twins 4-0. Stewart, acquired earlier in the season from Toronto, was making only his eighth career Major League start. Stewart retired the first 21 batters before Danny Valencia hit an opposite field double to right to end Stewart's perfect game bid. Zach would end the game with eight strikeouts. The Sox would also win the first game 2-1 behind the strong pitching of Phil Humber. September 5, 2019 – After getting knocked out of the game in the first inning a few days previously, Reynaldo Lopez rebounded to throw one of the best games in his career as he one-hit the Indians winning 7-1 in Cleveland. The right-hander struck out 11 and walked three, in going the distance. Kevin Plawecki delivered the lone hit off Lopez, recording a two-out double in the second that right-fielder Ryan Goins had a play on. A more experienced right fielder might have had a better chance at what was a tough play. The drive scored Jake Bauers from first. Otherwise, Lopez was unhittable, retiring the last 16 batters he faced.

“Accountability around here is not a problem.”- Kenny Williams 4/25/23

Chuck Tanner baseball card replication on the wall...nice

Right...he'll talk to the club and it will go in one ear and out the other.

I agree this is probably true but again remember who he works for. JR already made it clear at his presser that nothing will change regarding free agents. The Sox will pick up has been's, injury prone guys and retreads and "hope" they produce. Getz will do what he can for the time he is around but when JR leaves the scene, new ownership will flush out the baseball side of the operations.

Somehow, someway Moncada, Jimenez, Bummer and Anderson have got to go. Doesn't matter if they lose 120 games next year. It's called addition by subtraction for long term health.

From DVS story on this afternoon's carnage: "It was the latest remind of just how big a job new general manager Chris Getz is facing. Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, expressing belief in the Sox’ core just last week, is trying to convince fans another rebuild isn't necessary, not with the current core, a core that has the Sox holding a 53-85 record, reaching new depths below the .500 mark with each passing day." ?

Another embarrassing loss, Guys are just going through the motions. No guts, no brains, no pride.

Gang it's going to be an interesting off season isn't it?????????????????????????????????????

At this point does it even matter? Three quarters of this pitching staff is simply cannon fodder.

There's really nothing for an outsider to have to familiarize themselves with. If they are in baseball they already know basically everything has to be torn down and people on the baseball side of the operation fired. How hard is that to figure out?????

September 4, 1937 – Sox outfielder Mike Kreevich tied the Major League record by hitting four doubles in a 9-1 win over the Tigers at Tiger Stadium. He went 4 for 6, with three runs scored and an RBI. Three of his four doubles came off Detroit starting pitcher Tommy Bridges. September 4, 1960 - A viral infection knocked Nellie Fox out of the line-up for the first time since August of 1955 in the first game of a double header at home against Detroit. Fox was replaced by Billy Goodman. Nellie played in 798 consecutive games, still the White Sox record, and 1,072 out of 1,073. September 4, 1961 – It was a strange start to a good Sox career for pitcher Joe Horlen. Horlen entered the game in Minnesota wearing a blank jersey. That’s right…no name, no number, on the back! As Horlen was warming up, Twins manager and former Sox outfielder Sam Mele came out to talk to the umpire basically wondering who that kid was on the mound! Only one other time in Major League history has this ever happened as the Reds Eric Davis suffered the same fate on May 19, 1984. Joe allowed two hits in four innings of work and got the win in the 9-5 decision. An unusual Major League debut! September 4, 1970 – It was one of the key dates in franchise history as Roland Hemond was hired as player personnel director to rebuild the franchise. The club would lose a team record 106 games in 1970. The very next year they would improve by 23 games from 56 to 79 wins and by 1972 would be a legitimate title contender. Hemond would eventually become G.M. and stay with the team initially through 1985. Also coming along as new field manager was Chuck Tanner who’d be named Manager of the Year in 1972. Both men came to Chicago from the Angels organization where they had worked together for a number of years. September 4, 1995 - Robin Ventura hit a pair of grand slams in a 14-3 win over Texas. He was the eighth player in history at the time to hit a pair in one game. His eight RBI’s tied the franchise record. His home runs came in the fourth and fifth inning and he also had a double in the contest giving him 10 total bases for the night. September 4, 2016 – In a wild slugfest in Minnesota, won by the Sox 13-11, first baseman Jose Abreu drove in seven RBI’s. Jose had a pair of three run home runs in the game along with an RBI single. The home runs came in the first and seventh innings. The seven RBI’s are one off the franchise record for a single game.

Unless the Sox somehow acquire by whatever means four starting pitchers Kopech isn't going anywhere.

Paul Richards, Marty Marion, Al Lopez and Eddie Stanky probably were the best stretch of managers at least in my lifetime. That was part of the reason the Sox had 17 straight winning years.

If you think this year is bad just wait until you go through next season with the garbage they have on the field.

I was just doing some research on Roland Hemond trying to find some historical information and a number of the stories talked about his days with the Sox in the early 1970's and what he did in the early 1980's. The thought hit me and made me so wistful for those days when summers were fun, the Sox were worth supporting and the players they had seemed to give a damn. Not like the absolute s%*#, incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness that permeates all the way from top to bottom in this organization today. It just turns my stomach and makes me ill.

He has two more years to go on his contract, that matters a lot to JR.