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Quin: Just to be clear my point about Anderson sleeping around and I should be OK with that was in response to those saying he should be supported unconditionally. Personally what he does off the field is none of my business, couldn't care less but it's clear his off the field antics HAVE been impacting his on-field performance and embarrassing the organization.. How could they not if you are a normal human being? It's gone off the rails and he and the Sox need a divorce and a fresh start.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-reliever-rips-no-rules-white-sox-after-trade-says-rookies-were-sleeping-in-bullpen-during-games/

Remember last year the SELL THE TEAM signs at the park? And the billboards in the spring? As long as they make a lot of money nothing is going to embarrass them. If something really would, given all the dysfunction and incompetence it would have had an impact by now. It's simple, nothing changes and nothing will change until current ownership is gone.

An additional thought on this issue. When you think about it, it really doesn't matter if Anderson was "wrong" or "right" with what happened Saturday. It's the fact that yet again he was involved in a situation. Again. After the first half dozen times a pattern starts to form doesn't it? The off the field drama, the suspensions, the controversies, the comments which many consider arrogant. For whatever reason or reasons he can't stay away from situations and incidents. They may not be all his fault but at the very least he helps them along. He simply can't help himself and that's why they are going to continue as long as he is with this organization.

Here you go, it's up at the Sun-Times: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/6/23822523/ex-white-sox-reliever-keynan-middleton-says-team-has-no-rules-accountability-yankees Monday is going to be VERY interesting.

Well there was one time when even JR had enough. Remember when Ozzie and Kenny were going at it publicly almost daily. The Sox were in D.C. and JR had a extremely rare press conference up in the press box/owners box area where he publicly called on both of them to basically shut the hell up and get along. It was the right thing to do at the time. The problem was JR refuses to do this more often, hold people accountable and demand results.

Careful Polish...some folks will feel you are being "disloyal" ?

He was what the bullpen coach? Something along those lines if I remember right. He couldn't have had a lot of say or a lot of authority.

Well said. Absolutely correct. And that's very unfortunate and unforgivable.

So when are you going to answer my comment about why I should "support" an adulterer among other things? I'd like to hear the justification for doing so. The Sox deserved the scorn from Cleveland because they brought it on themselves. They shot their big mouths off and then fell flat on their asses. You earn respect. Tim had everything going for him and like I was told over the winter, "The Sox gave him the keys to the car and he drove it right off the cliff." I have to "support" an idiot? Just because he wears a White Sox uniform? TA doesn't owe me s%*# but he does owe the organization that is paying him millions of dollars to respect it, respect his teammates, respect the game and by proxy respect the city named on his uniform. Instead you get what I've already listed on and off the field. He's the "face of the franchise"...LOL. Yea it completely fits with the complete and total incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness. And if you remember last night I posted that given his injury earlier this year I could understand why he'd get upset with Ramirez slightly pushing his leg but it didn't look like it was a big deal. Later I read where he was shooting his mouth off earlier in the game and the umpire told him to shut up. Again I'm supposed to "support" this without question at all times? ? I'm supposed to "support" and "defend" Anderson but yet somehow it's OK to rip on Clevinger? (And I'm not for a moment defending what he is alleged to have done) What's the difference? They are both embarrassments.

Well he can dodge it by not even bothering to attempt to speak with them.

And as long as they are making a lot of money none of it matters. The embarrassing situations didn't just start in 2021 under this ownership it literally began the day the bought the franchise. From my interview with Mike Veeck: ML: That group made the first in a long line of faux paux when Eddie Einhorn made a statement the day they bought the club along the lines of ‘we’re going to start running a first class operation.’ Many Sox fans and reportedly your dad were shocked and insulted by that comment. Making it worse was that your dad was right there when it was said. How did your dad and the Veeck family feel about that comment? MV: “We have never equated money with class. Just because we didn’t wear 200 hundred dollar shirts and 3,000 thousand dollar suits didn’t mean we didn’t have manners or didn’t respect other people. The one thing that my family has always done first and foremost was respect the fans of baseball and the game of baseball.” ML: I have heard that supposedly, Eddie Einhorn over the years privately apologized to your dad and tried to mend fences with him to no avail. Is that true? MV: “No… Eddie Einhorn never apologized for that remark, Jerry Reinsdorf did, and there is a difference between those two men.” And nothing it seems, no matter how embarrassing, how unseemly, how much bad PR it generates changes anything. JR still feels he's the smartest guy in the room and how dare you question or criticize anything the Sox do. Just a very sad situation.

The story said that's basically what he was told when joining the team but that shouldn't be a surprise, after all guys were told not to run hard last season among other things. But when you consider the remarks Grifol made when he got the job about fundamentals, accountability, ready to kick ass et al Middleton's comments tonight put him squarely in the cross hairs. Nothing has changed under his watch if those comments are accurate (and based on what I've seen and the on-field results I think they are)

The White Flag Trade's impact on attendance was felt for years.

He's got two more years on his contract that's all the "earning" he needs in the minds of the front office/ownership.

It's also something to see people defend a malcontent and think that regardless of circumstances the White Sox require unconditional loyalty. Unconditional anything, in politics, religion, sports, relationships can be a very dangerous thing. And just wondering, what are you getting back from this ownership/front office for that "unconditional loyalty?" I'll hang up and wait for the answer.

Wow! And the part about the farcical WBC is dead-on. The Sox brass should not have allowed ANY player to participate, period. Full stop. Nor should they in the future.

"Disgraceful" Cleveland franchise? WTF??? And if you want to try to turn this into a moral argument why should I "support" a player who has an affair and a baby not with his wife? Who is about to be suspended five times in four years, who has a big mouth (and can't back it up) and is embarrassing the franchise? THAT'S who I'm supposed to "support?" ? He's a cancer, he needs to disappear from the organization.

As much as I dislike his stupidity and immaturity I agree with this but I think they only way it turns around for him is to get the hell out of here and to a competent organization.

This incompetent organization saw Robert play with basically one hand for a month last year why are you surprised what is going on with Moncada? I think it will be announced in October he's going to have surgery, they have no other choice. It's obvious he's not 100% and I'm also guessing (and this won't come out) he will INSIST on it. He's not stupid, he knows he's gone from the Sox after next year and if he can't produce the odds of him getting a good contract some place else are going to be small. His only chance is to have the surgery and hope he's OK because like you said he is a shell of himself after four months of this so-called "rehab" crap.

Things can change over the winter, teams needs change, some teams could get desperate. There's always one team that thinks they can make a difference or change some player and if Anderson gets out of this insane asylum and goes to a club where people are held accountable for their actions and expected to be a professional it could revitalize his career.

Cleveland had every right to disrespect the White Sox last year, they won the division...the Sox talked s%*# and then fell completely on their faces. "We're the best team in the league!" - Tim Anderson

Like DVS of the Sun-Times wrote today when Anderson, a supposed face of the team gets suspended Monday or Tuesday it will be the fourth time in five years for various incidents on the field.

Folks: My apologies, I posted this accidentally in the Trade Winds section earlier today: Based on what is now Tim's multiple embarrassments I can't argue with him. Anderson needs to go: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jose-ramirez-says-tim-anderson-has-been-disrespecting-the-game-for-a-while-after-players-ignite-brawl/

Folks: My apologies, I posted this accidentally in the Trade Winds section earlier today: August 6, 1949 - Luke Appling played his 2,154th game at shortstop, passing Walt “Rabbit” Maranville for most in MLB history. He would play another 42 games there in the 1949 season and 20 in 1950, at age 43, before retiring. Appling played all but one of his seasons (1948) as a primary shortstop, and 94 per cent of his career games there. Today, Appling sits at eighth all-time in games played at shortstop, his all-time record broken 20 years later by another White Sox shortstop, Luis Aparicio, on September 25, 1970, his last game played that season. August 6, 1959 – It was the third and final marathon game of the 1959 season. The Sox battled the Orioles in Baltimore and played for 18 innings before curfew stopped the night game tied at one all. The game lasted only four hours. The most significant item to come out of it was the incredible performance by the Sox starter, Billy Pierce. Pierce pitched 16 innings! Let me repeat that...16 innings allowing one run. Billy faced 61 hitters, struck out seven and gave up 11 hits, 10 of them singles.