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It's also something to see people defend a malcontent and think that regardless of circumstances the White Sox require unconditional loyalty. Unconditional anything, in politics, religion, sports, relationships can be a very dangerous thing. And just wondering, what are you getting back from this ownership/front office for that "unconditional loyalty?" I'll hang up and wait for the answer.

Wow! And the part about the farcical WBC is dead-on. The Sox brass should not have allowed ANY player to participate, period. Full stop. Nor should they in the future.

"Disgraceful" Cleveland franchise? WTF??? And if you want to try to turn this into a moral argument why should I "support" a player who has an affair and a baby not with his wife? Who is about to be suspended five times in four years, who has a big mouth (and can't back it up) and is embarrassing the franchise? THAT'S who I'm supposed to "support?" ? He's a cancer, he needs to disappear from the organization.

As much as I dislike his stupidity and immaturity I agree with this but I think they only way it turns around for him is to get the hell out of here and to a competent organization.

This incompetent organization saw Robert play with basically one hand for a month last year why are you surprised what is going on with Moncada? I think it will be announced in October he's going to have surgery, they have no other choice. It's obvious he's not 100% and I'm also guessing (and this won't come out) he will INSIST on it. He's not stupid, he knows he's gone from the Sox after next year and if he can't produce the odds of him getting a good contract some place else are going to be small. His only chance is to have the surgery and hope he's OK because like you said he is a shell of himself after four months of this so-called "rehab" crap.

Things can change over the winter, teams needs change, some teams could get desperate. There's always one team that thinks they can make a difference or change some player and if Anderson gets out of this insane asylum and goes to a club where people are held accountable for their actions and expected to be a professional it could revitalize his career.

Cleveland had every right to disrespect the White Sox last year, they won the division...the Sox talked s%*# and then fell completely on their faces. "We're the best team in the league!" - Tim Anderson

Like DVS of the Sun-Times wrote today when Anderson, a supposed face of the team gets suspended Monday or Tuesday it will be the fourth time in five years for various incidents on the field.

Folks: My apologies, I posted this accidentally in the Trade Winds section earlier today: Based on what is now Tim's multiple embarrassments I can't argue with him. Anderson needs to go: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jose-ramirez-says-tim-anderson-has-been-disrespecting-the-game-for-a-while-after-players-ignite-brawl/

Folks: My apologies, I posted this accidentally in the Trade Winds section earlier today: August 6, 1949 - Luke Appling played his 2,154th game at shortstop, passing Walt “Rabbit” Maranville for most in MLB history. He would play another 42 games there in the 1949 season and 20 in 1950, at age 43, before retiring. Appling played all but one of his seasons (1948) as a primary shortstop, and 94 per cent of his career games there. Today, Appling sits at eighth all-time in games played at shortstop, his all-time record broken 20 years later by another White Sox shortstop, Luis Aparicio, on September 25, 1970, his last game played that season. August 6, 1959 – It was the third and final marathon game of the 1959 season. The Sox battled the Orioles in Baltimore and played for 18 innings before curfew stopped the night game tied at one all. The game lasted only four hours. The most significant item to come out of it was the incredible performance by the Sox starter, Billy Pierce. Pierce pitched 16 innings! Let me repeat that...16 innings allowing one run. Billy faced 61 hitters, struck out seven and gave up 11 hits, 10 of them singles.

Good for you. No one is stopping you, unlike you who feel they have the right to tell fans tired of the entire screwed up organization to go root for another team. Talk about an imbecilic statement. I LIKE baseball, I LOVE the White Sox...big difference. Personally and unlike you I don't pretend to speak for others, I don't give a tinkers cuss if the beer is cold, I don't give a rat's ass if the sun is shining and I could care less if there are a bunch of pretty women in the stands. Did the Sox win the game...are they having a good season. That's the only friggin' thing that matters., If the other stuff is happening that's all fine and dandy but it is secondary, completely and totally secondary to the object of the game. To win.

According to DVS of the Sun-Times in his story today when Anderson is suspended Monday or Tuesday it will be the fourth time in five years. That's your "face of the franchise / change the game" folks.

Just FYI I never posted that, never even heard of it before. I remember reading it but didn't post it on my end.

So let me understand you. A completely dysfunctional and incompetent organization deserves UNQUESTIONED loyalty just because why exactly? Especially when basically since the start of the 2007 season it has been basically one big middle finger to the fan base. These cowards even cancelled Sox Fest and will probably do it again this winter. Yet in your mind they deserve the unadulterated adoration and loyalty from the fans. Can you imagine posting this ludicrous idea in New York, Philadelphia or Boston? Seriously? ? Last I looked it wasn't 1955 anymore...it's 2023.

August 6, 1949 - Luke Appling played his 2,154th game at shortstop, passing Walt “Rabbit” Maranville for most in MLB history. He would play another 42 games there in the 1949 season and 20 in 1950, at age 43, before retiring. Appling played all but one of his seasons (1948) as a primary shortstop, and 94 per cent of his career games there. Today, Appling sits at eighth all-time in games played at shortstop, his all-time record broken 20 years later by another White Sox shortstop, Luis Aparicio, on September 25, 1970, his last game played that season. August 6, 1959 – It was the third and final marathon game of the 1959 season. The Sox battled the Orioles in Baltimore and played for 18 innings before curfew stopped the night game tied at one all. The game lasted only four hours. The most significant item to come out of it was the incredible performance by the Sox starter, Billy Pierce. Pierce pitched 16 innings! Let me repeat that...16 innings allowing one run. Billy faced 61 hitters, struck out seven and gave up 11 hits, 10 of them singles.

“Accountability around here is not a problem.”- Kenny Williams 4/25/23

Soon to miss games for the 20th time in his illustrious career! ?

? Rodriguez was the Rangers catcher.

One of the two fights with the Yankees: June 13, 1957 - The Sox and Yankees hooked up in perhaps the greatest ‘base-brawl’ in history. In the first inning at Comiskey Park, New York’s Art Ditmar threw a pitch at the head of the Sox Larry Doby. As the pitch rolled to the wall, Ditmar ran to cover home. Doby warned Ditmar about the pitch, and then threw a left hook which dropped him. The fight appeared to have racial overtones and lasted a full 30 minutes. Chicago native and future Sox player Bill "Moose" Skowron jumped on Doby which brought Walt Dropo into the fray. Dropo was 6-5, 220 pounds, and a monster for his time. At various times, “Whitey” Ford, Casey Stengel, "Jungle" Jim Rivera and Enos "Country" Slaughter were in the middle of it. Slaughter’s jersey and undershirt were ripped to pieces and his hat was backwards in one of the most famous photographs of the 1950's. After things settled down Billy Martin rushed into things and started in on Doby. Five players were ejected and fined for the melee. New York won the game 4-3. June 23, 1956 – It was first of the two great fights on the field between Yankee and White Sox players; almost one year later, June 13, 1957, the second one took place. In this one Bob Grim (the late uncle to former Sox Director of Business Development and Broadcasting Bob Grim) threw one high and tight to Sox outfielder Dave Philley in the home half of the sixth inning. The ball glanced off Philley’s shoulder and bounced into his batting helmet knocking it off. Philley charged the mound as the benches and bullpens emptied. Both players swung at each other, as the rest of the teams held each other back. Order was restored after about 20 minutes. Philley was tossed from the game. Grim was allowed to stay in, but perhaps shaken; he was tagged for two runs...driven in by Sherm Lollar and Luis Aparicio, the only runs on the day in the Sox 2-0 win.

Was working at a charity basketball 3 on 3 tournament most of the day today and just saw the video. I don't think Ramirez pushed his leg very much although given Anderson's injury earlier this year I could understand why he got angry but when Ramirez escalated things... OK I get it. But then he decked Anderson which in a way I was glad to see, TA's acts big but when push comes to shove? Maybe this will teach him a little humility. But it's so typical White Sox that even when they fight they get embarrassed. And the point about nobody immediately coming to help him out is telling. Ah, ya' can't beat fun at the old ballpark friends...

It didn't help that Rodriguez pinned Ventura's arm's.

August 5, 1977 - In the first game of a key series with the Royals, Sox pitcher Bart Johnson and Royals catcher Darrell Porter got into a shoving match along the first base line in the third inning after Porter slammed into Johnson’s back while he was covering first base. In the sixth inning when Porter was coming up to bat, Johnson stepped off the mound and yelled out "Do you want it now?" and a brawl took place. Both players were ejected. After the game both Porter and George Brett came to the Sox locker room to apologize. Johnson had back surgery a few years before and didn’t appreciate being deliberately run into that area by Porter. August 5, 2022 – It was the continuation of one of the most dominant stretches of pitching in baseball history. The White Sox Dylan Cease held the Rangers to one run in six innings of work in a 2-1 win. That meant he broke the record he shared with Jacob deGrom for allowing one earned run or less in 13 consecutive starts. They shared the mark at 12 starts. It was the longest streak in baseball since earned runs became an official statistic in 1913.

No they aren't.

At this rate they'll guarantee themselves their 8th losing season in 11 years under Hahn by Labor Day and their 11th losing season since the start of 2007.

From my interview with Jeff Torborg: ML: That season was the start of a real dislike between the White Sox and the Texas Rangers that culminated in 1993 when Robin Ventura charged the mound at Nolan Ryan. There was something going on between the two organizations and there were a lot of strange things that contributed to the bad blood. It started when the two players you’d least expect to homer off Ryan did, Craig Grebeck and Ozzie Guillen back to back, then you had an eight hour ‘rain delay’ on a Sunday, resulting in a game having to be played in Texas at twilight, there was a bad brawl on the field during that game and then Carlton Fisk hit his record setting home run in the nightcap. Whew! JT: “I remember when Craig and Ozzie hit homers off Nolan and his teammates were giving it to him from the dugout when it happened. (Author’s Note: It happened in the 2nd inning of the second game of a double header on August 10, 1990. The Sox won the game 5-1 after taking the opener 5-2.) I knew Nolan well of course, since I caught him with the Angels and I knew the type of competitor he was.” “Then that Sunday it started to rain before the game was supposed to start, it wasn’t a downpour but a steady rain. It was the last time Texas was coming into Chicago and we asked them if we postponed it, would they fly back in on an off day to play. They said no, so we said we’ll wait as long as we have to because if we can’t get the game in we’re going to have to make it up next week when we went to Texas and I knew, just knew, that if we did, we were going to face Ryan in twilight and I wanted to avoid that. The umpires were furious with us.” (Author’s Note: The Sox set what is believed to be the longest wait in baseball history before calling a game because of rain. The game was schedule to start at 1PM Central time. Persistent rains caused a delay before the first pitch was even thrown. The wait lasted seven hours and 23 minutes, before the game was “officially” called off on August 12, 1990.) “The next week then in Texas, sure enough, we get Ryan in the makeup game in twilight. It’s hard enough to see him during the day but under those conditions…and he was still mad from what happened the week before. He threw at Craig Grebeck during the game and I yelled out of the dugout at him. I said, “throwing at Grebeck doesn’t show me anything…” I told Greg Hibbard, “look if we get in a situation where there are two out and nobody on base, the next guy goes down.” Remember it was a one to nothing game and I couldn’t afford to do something at the wrong moment. It turned out the situation came up and it happened to one of the nicest guys around, Steve Buechele. He charged the mound and it was a really ugly fight, it wasn’t your usual baseball fight. (Author’s Note: Texas wound up winning the makeup game 1-0 in 13 innings. Ryan struck out 15, working 10 innings on August 17, 1990) “Then in the night cap game after Carlton hit the home run, I wanted to win that game for him so badly because of the respect that I had for him as a player. He worked so much with our young players, our young pitchers and was such an influence on how they progressed in the big leagues.” (Author’s Note: The Sox took the night cap 4-2. Fisk broke Johnny Bench’s record for most career home runs by a catcher with a solo shot in the 2nd inning off Charlie Hough. It was home run #328 for Fisk as a catcher. That record was subsequently broken by Mike Piazza.)