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No they aren't.

At this rate they'll guarantee themselves their 8th losing season in 11 years under Hahn by Labor Day and their 11th losing season since the start of 2007.

From my interview with Jeff Torborg: ML: That season was the start of a real dislike between the White Sox and the Texas Rangers that culminated in 1993 when Robin Ventura charged the mound at Nolan Ryan. There was something going on between the two organizations and there were a lot of strange things that contributed to the bad blood. It started when the two players you’d least expect to homer off Ryan did, Craig Grebeck and Ozzie Guillen back to back, then you had an eight hour ‘rain delay’ on a Sunday, resulting in a game having to be played in Texas at twilight, there was a bad brawl on the field during that game and then Carlton Fisk hit his record setting home run in the nightcap. Whew! JT: “I remember when Craig and Ozzie hit homers off Nolan and his teammates were giving it to him from the dugout when it happened. (Author’s Note: It happened in the 2nd inning of the second game of a double header on August 10, 1990. The Sox won the game 5-1 after taking the opener 5-2.) I knew Nolan well of course, since I caught him with the Angels and I knew the type of competitor he was.” “Then that Sunday it started to rain before the game was supposed to start, it wasn’t a downpour but a steady rain. It was the last time Texas was coming into Chicago and we asked them if we postponed it, would they fly back in on an off day to play. They said no, so we said we’ll wait as long as we have to because if we can’t get the game in we’re going to have to make it up next week when we went to Texas and I knew, just knew, that if we did, we were going to face Ryan in twilight and I wanted to avoid that. The umpires were furious with us.” (Author’s Note: The Sox set what is believed to be the longest wait in baseball history before calling a game because of rain. The game was schedule to start at 1PM Central time. Persistent rains caused a delay before the first pitch was even thrown. The wait lasted seven hours and 23 minutes, before the game was “officially” called off on August 12, 1990.) “The next week then in Texas, sure enough, we get Ryan in the makeup game in twilight. It’s hard enough to see him during the day but under those conditions…and he was still mad from what happened the week before. He threw at Craig Grebeck during the game and I yelled out of the dugout at him. I said, “throwing at Grebeck doesn’t show me anything…” I told Greg Hibbard, “look if we get in a situation where there are two out and nobody on base, the next guy goes down.” Remember it was a one to nothing game and I couldn’t afford to do something at the wrong moment. It turned out the situation came up and it happened to one of the nicest guys around, Steve Buechele. He charged the mound and it was a really ugly fight, it wasn’t your usual baseball fight. (Author’s Note: Texas wound up winning the makeup game 1-0 in 13 innings. Ryan struck out 15, working 10 innings on August 17, 1990) “Then in the night cap game after Carlton hit the home run, I wanted to win that game for him so badly because of the respect that I had for him as a player. He worked so much with our young players, our young pitchers and was such an influence on how they progressed in the big leagues.” (Author’s Note: The Sox took the night cap 4-2. Fisk broke Johnny Bench’s record for most career home runs by a catcher with a solo shot in the 2nd inning off Charlie Hough. It was home run #328 for Fisk as a catcher. That record was subsequently broken by Mike Piazza.)

Jeff Torborg told me JR gave him a loan at a great rate so that he could build his house in Florida. JR is a very complex individual, does a lot of worthwhile things for charity but the way he runs his sports teams leaves so much to be desired.

Liam has been in the big leagues for 12 years now he may have already vested for complete retirement benefits through the MLBPA.

Don't worry it'll be snowed out.

August 4, 1985 - On the same day Rod Carew got his 3,000th hit in Anaheim, Sox pitcher Tom Seaver won his 300th career game. Seaver beat the Yankees 4-1 at Yankee Stadium. The Sox scored four times in the sixth inning to put Seaver in a position to get the milestone win. He got late inning defensive help when Harold Baines climbed the right field wall to rob Willie Randolph of an extra base hit with men on base. Seaver retired Don Baylor, on a fly to left for the final out of the game. The ball was caught by Reid Nichols as the capacity crowd at Yankee Stadium (many of whom were Mets fans) gave Seaver a standing ovation. August 4, 1992 - The White Sox set the franchise record for the most runs ever scored in the third inning of a game. Nine men crossed the plate against the Twins in Chicago. Wilson Alvarez got the win as the Sox won the slugfest 19-11. DH George Bell had five RBI’s in the game for the Sox. 13 men batted in the big third inning and nine straight reached base. August 4, 1993 - After years of getting brush back pitches thrown at Sox hitters from Nolan Ryan, Robin Ventura snapped in the third inning of a game in Texas and charged the mound. Ryan got the better of the fight but Ventura and his teammates found strength from the brawl and used it during the stretch run which would lead to a divisional title and keep the Rangers in second place by eight games. August 4, 2000 - Catcher Carlton Fisk was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Even though Fisk played more games and for more years with the White Sox, he went in wearing the colors of the Red Sox. Fisk explained to the Chicago media, that his choice in no way reflected any animosity towards White Sox fans but was based in part on his treatment by the organization and ownership over the years.

Anyone to beat the Cubs. The Sox have enough issues without them getting into the playoffs.

I'd say nothing has gone right since the Sox swept Baltimore in Baltimore right before the start of the all-star break in July 2021. They had the best record in the league at that time. Adam Engel's three run home run won it in extra innings. Since then it's basically been s%*#.

I'm guessing it's not that they "like" him a lot, it's more with his salary next year he is virtually untradeable unless the Sox were to eat a large portion of the remaining salary.

Just got done listening to the latest Podcast by Chuck, he had Jim Callis on for the full 45 minutes. Callis said they would move the Sox system up to the mid-teens after the deals and they do now have a good amount of talent and options at catcher and left handed pitcher. Said Montgomery and Schultz are going to both be very good. Thinks the Sox had a solid, deep draft and would have put several of those selections on the Sox Top 30 list before all the trades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylqz6x4RkeA

Obviously there is now some circumstantial evidence that something is going on but with Kenny close to retirement I can't see him delaying that to get back in both feet and try to fix this disaster. Would love to see Hahn fired but until it actually happens color me skeptical.

The last time the Sox (43-66) were at least 23 games below .500 (a season low) was the final day of the 2018 season when they were 62-100. Some "window of contention" eh?

Surely you jest?

August 3, 1940 - At Comiskey Park the White Sox held off the Senators 7-6 to record the franchises 3,000th win. The Sox had a six run fourth inning which was the difference. Jack Knott picked up the win and helped his own cause as he doubled in two runs in the big inning. August 3, 1956 - The White Sox set the franchise record for most runs ever scored in the first inning of a game when they picked up 11 in Chicago against the Orioles. Billy Pierce got the win as the Sox cruised 13-3. Billy’s record improved to 17-4. Catcher Les Moss drove in four RBI’s to lead the way for the Sox. 14 Sox batters came to the plate in the inning with seven hits, an error and four walks. August 3, 1959 - At the second All-Star Game, this one played at the Los Angeles Coliseum; Nellie Fox of the White Sox had a splendid afternoon. Fox was on base when the Yankees Yogi Berra blasted a two-run home run giving the A.L. a lead they never relinquished in the 5-3 win. For the game Nellie had two hits and a walk and drove in a run with a seventh inning single scoring the Yankees Tony Kubek. 1959 was the first year two All-Star Games were played, an experiment that went from 1959-1962. August 3, 1986 - Sox rookie Russ Morman collected three hits in his first three at bats in the big leagues. Morman also tied the record set by Billy Martin by getting two of them in the same inning in his debut game. That happened in the fourth inning of a 10-1 win at Comiskey Park against Detroit. Morman led off that inning with a home run then later in the same frame had an RBI single. August 3, 1989 - Sox G.M. Larry Himes is best remembered for his drafting of future stars like Robin Ventura, Frank Thomas, Jack McDowell and Alex Fernandez but he’d pull off a good trade or two as well. Case in point, on this day, Himes shipped outfielder Mark Davis to the Angels for pitcher Roberto Hernandez. Hernandez would go on to save 134 games for the Sox with three seasons of 30 or more. August 3, 1997 - Sox All-Star second baseman, Nellie Fox finally entered the baseball Hall of Fame. Fox, the 1959 American League M.V.P. was voted in by the veterans committee after missing regular election to the hall by the fewest votes in the history of the shrine. Technically he received the 75 per cent needed by rounding out his original vote total but the Hall had no provisions for that, so his total of 74.6 per cent stood and was deemed short of the 75 per cent needed. Fortunately, he was finally admitted in. Nellie was an 11-time All-Star who hit .368 in those games and was one of the most beloved players in Sox history. August 3, 2001 - Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle threw a lot of big games both in the regular season and in the playoffs. This was one of his best as he beat Tampa Bay 4-0 at U.S. Cellular Field. Buehrle allowed only one hit, to Damian Rolls leading off the seventh inning. He was the only base runner on the day.

With almost literally everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong and will go wrong with this incompetent, dysfunctional and inept organization you have to wonder (if you believe in such things) that the baseball gods continue to say in their own way, 'Until JR is out the door...until this front office and the baseball side of the franchise has been cleaned out, we are going to continue to keep shitting on you anyway that we can.'

Dunning, 0-3 with a 6.10 ERA in his previous three starts, retired 21 batters in a row before Seby Zavala homered with two out in the eighth inning of an 11-1 loss.

“Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.”

If they were smart they word but remember before Liam got hurt the word was out that he wouldn't be traded because he was a "favorite" of JR. ?

Exactly but these are the White Sox with their "crack" medical, training and conditioning staffs! ?

From MLB.com today reviewing the deal just FYI: Of course, that the White Sox were willing to trade a feel-good success story who can’t be a free agent until after 2028 tells you a little something, and there’s no shortage of red flags here; he’s a below-average fielder; his .279 on-base percentage is well below-average; he’s hit .173/.253/.470 over the last two months. Throw in a 32% strikeout rate and he’s the Anti-Marlin in lot of ways, which isn’t a bad thing given their total lack of power, but it’s also possible that the White Sox viewed this as found money, turning a pre-season question mark into a well-regarded 24-year-old Double-A starter who could be in Chicago as soon as next year.

They have done everything but come right out and say they are running it back next year. You know it, I know it, the media knows it and so does the front office.

One year after JR has left the scene.

August 2, 1921 - A Chicago jury found the eight “Black Sox” players innocent of conspiring to commit fraud by virtue of fixing the 1919 World Series. The players expected to go back to the Sox but then Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis permanently banished them, destroying the only team that could have played with the Yankees throughout the 1920's. It also sunk the franchise into a spiral that saw only seven winning seasons between 1921 and 1950. One of the players George “Buck” Weaver maintained his innocence until his death and applied for reinstatement many times without success. August 2, 1968 - The Sox and Senators completed a trade as infielders Tim Cullen and Ron Hansen were exchanged for each other. Why the notoriety? Because the same two players were traded for each other by the same two clubs on February 13th! The players even wore the same uniform number with the White Sox (#4) and had the same identical locker location! Hansen had been with the club since 1963 and played a solid shortstop. August 2, 1979 - Tony LaRussa replaced Don Kessinger as White Sox manager. The Tampa native, who had passed the bar exam in Florida, was only 35 years old. He remained as manager until June 1986. LaRussa posted winning records in 1981, 1982, 1983 and 1985. He won the Western Division title in the 1983 season. LaRussa was fired because of basic conflicts on how the team should be run by new G.M. Ken “Hawk” Harrelson. Owner Jerry Reinsdorf later publicly admitted letting LaRussa go was one of the worst mistakes he ever made and he’d eventually correct it (in his mind) by getting LaRussa out of retirement to come back as manager for the 2021 season that saw the Sox win the division with 93 victories. August 2, 1985 - An incredible weekend in New York started with perhaps the most unusual play in White Sox history. As a national TV audience watched on Friday Night Baseball on NBC, and with pitcher Britt Burns on the mound, Rickey Henderson slammed a double to left center over the head of outfielder Luis Salazar. Yankee runner Bobby Meacham was unsure if the ball would be caught by center fielder Salazar or left fielder Reid Nichols, so he went back toward second to tag up before reversing course, and then stumbled slightly. Meanwhile, Dale Berra (Yogi’s son) had taken off from first and didn’t hesitate as Meacham had. So, when the ball finally came to rest on the warning track in deep left field near the 411-foot mark, only about 20 feet separated the two runners. Salazar picked up the ball and fired it to shortstop Ozzie Guillen as Meacham and Berra rounded third. Third-base coach Gene Michael tried to get Berra to hold up at third but it was too late. Guillen relayed the ball to catcher Carlton Fisk in plenty of time to tag Meacham, who didn’t slide and instead tried unsuccessfully to knock the ball out of Fisk’s glove. Fisk did a ‘matador’ on Meacham for the first out of the inning. Meacham did succeed in twirling Fisk around slightly so that he wasn’t facing the field, but he recovered in time to tag Berra, who also did not slide. It was scored an 8-6-2 double play. That’s two for the price of one at home plate! To cap things off the Sox won the game 6-5 in 11 innings. August 2, 1990 - In the first game of a double header first baseman Frank Thomas made his Major League debut in Milwaukee. The greatest hitter in franchise history went 0-4 in his first game. The next night Frank narrowly missed a home run in the seventh inning when his line shot hit the top of the wall in right field and went for a triple. It would be his first Major League hit. The Sox would sweep five games from the Brewers that weekend. A bit of trivia; when Thomas came up with the Sox, he did not wear #35. His first number was #15. August 2, 2016 - When White Sox outfielder Charlie Tilson was helped off the field in Detroit he became, incredibly, the fourth player making their Major League debut for the club to be injured and not be able to finish the game that season. Catcher Kevan Smith injured his back in pregame warm up’s and was placed on the disabled list, outfielder Jason Coats suffered a cut lip and a mild concussion after a collision, infielder Matt Davidson broke a bone in his foot running the bases and was placed on the disabled list and Tilson tore his left hamstring, he also went on the DL.

“Most of the fan interaction that I’ve had in recent months is fan question-and-answer sessions,” he said. “You can feel the frustration and you can feel the disappointment. They feel better for having been heard." - Rick Hahn You mean like at Sox Fest? ?