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Well if they get rained out they can't lose can they?????

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Winning does help but it's also clear there were some serious issues going on even then: “The problem with this team is there was no real leadership, nobody to hold guys accountable. No red-asses like the Sox had in the past… Carlton Fisk, Jack McDowell, A.J. Pierzynski. Paul Konerko was a quiet guy but when we weren’t doing well he’d get really pissed. Elvis Andrus tried to supply some leadership when he came and Lucas Giolito tried.” “I’d come into the locker room after a game and you couldn’t tell if they won or lost, just nothing.” “You’d go in the locker room and all the Latino guys would be in one place, the whites in another and the African-Americans someplace else.” “I had heard that groups were apart and not close but part of that could be human nature, language divisions for example. I know the Latin guys were always around Jose’s locker, Moncada was always there. The Sox locker room is a big square so guys aren’t close to start with, the Cubs locker room is circular. I don’t know if that was by design or what but that lends itself to guys getting together.” “The problem is some of these guys just don’t care, they want to win sure but they already have gotten their money with these contracts before they proved anything. Moncada would strike out and just walk back to the dugout like no big deal, he fouls a ball off and now he can’t play for three days? His contract makes him untradable but he needs to go.”

I'll help pack their bags so they both can get out of town quicker.

July 28, 1931 – The Sox set the franchise record for the most runs ever scored in the eighth inning of a game when they plated 11 runners home to beat the Yankees 14-12 at Yankee Stadium. The Sox trailed 12-3 before the offensive explosion. They had 12 hits in the inning and four of the runs were unearned. July 28, 1963 - Sox second baseman Nellie Fox banged out his 2,500th career hit, a single to center off the Orioles Dave McNally. It came in the sixth inning of the Sox 4-1 win in Baltimore. Fox would end his career with a total of 2,663 hits…2,470 of them came in a White Sox uniform. July 28, 1976 - John "Blue Moon" Odom and Francisco Barrios combined to throw a no-hitter against the A’s in Oakland. The Sox won it 2-1. It was one of the strangest no-hitters in history. Odom and Barrios combine to walk 11 Oakland hitters! Odom walked nine himself in only five innings. July 28, 1985 – He was a record setting pitcher who appeared in over a thousand games in his 21-year career. Hoyt Wilhelm mastered the most difficult pitch ever, the knuckleball and with it he wound up in the Baseball Hall of Fame, inducted on this date. Hoyt spent six years with the White Sox from 1963-68 becoming the dominant relief pitcher of the 1960’s. From 1964-68 with the White Sox, Wilhelm went 41-33 with 99 saves and a 1.92 ERA in 361 games – all coming after his 40th birthday. His nickname was “Old Tilt” because of the way his head looked releasing his signature pitch which was almost impossible to hit and for that matter catch! Just in his time with the White Sox Wilhelm was charged with 23 wild pitches that his catchers simply couldn’t handle because of the unusual break. July 28, 2009 – The Sox Mark Buehrle set the Major League record for most consecutive batters retired at 45 when he took a perfect game into the sixth inning at Minnesota. Mark was coming off his perfect game set the previous week when he blanked Tampa Bay in Chicago. It was Alexi Casilla who walked with two out in the sixth inning that broke the streak. The 45 straight batters broke the record first set by the Giants Jim Barr in 1972 and tied by Buehrle’s teammate Bobby Jenks in 2007.

This goes back decades, Joe Horlen was cut soon after the 1972 labor impasse ended along with most of the other player reps at the time. Joe told me all about it. Fortunately for him Charlie Finley could care less and signed him and he got a ring with the A's in 72.

When you've owned the team for over 40+ seasons I would certainly hope so.

The White Sox now and forever will be example #1 any team owner will ask his G.M. who wants to tank about. "Show me how this rebuild isn't going to turn out like what happened in Chicago..."

That was expected. After the Sox fought Giolito over 50,000 dollars and was willing to take him to arbitration (plus he was the union rep) you knew his days were numbered.

It is part of the reason though.

To each his own and I admire your loyalty. Me personally I don't care if the beer is cold, if the sun is shining or if there are a lot of pretty girls in the stands. Did the Sox win?, are they having a good season? That's the bottom line for me, the game itself is secondary. I like baseball...I love the White Sox...big difference.

On the latest Podcast that dropped today McGuffey again said that Hahn wanted to sign nine figure players for the clubhouse. Then he stopped and just let that remark hang there. He had previously said on Podcasts that the rebuild failed because the front office wasn't allowed to finish the job. No defending Hahn who should have been fired years ago but the blame just doesn't start and stop with him.

Hilarious note to the Podcast...Chuck read a text he received from a former White Sox player, he didn't name the player but read the text on-air, "This team is God awful. I thought this was their window?" ?

"It starts at the top and here we are, it starts at the top. And the reason it failed is from the top down. God damn it I'm so mad right now! Everyone deserves so much better. What a screw job this has been." -- Ryan McGuffey on the latest Sox Podcast.

The Sox will resign him as soon as JR decides to give out a nine figure deal. (Which isn't happening...)

With a reduced payroll and more holes than swiss cheese these guys may have to rely on luck to win 70 games.

It's like a root canal with no Novocain.

JR won't allow another complete tank job. They are going to hope to get lucky moving forward. Luck is not a plan.

July 27, 1951 - The Sox trailed the Yankees 3-2 at Yankee Stadium when the game was delayed 25 minutes by rain. When play resumed, the Sox scored twice more to lead 4-3 in the top of the ninth inning. Yankee manager Casey Stengel and his players began stalling hoping for more rain. In fact, Yankee infielder Gil McDougald was ejected by umpire Bill McGowan because of those tactics. After a delay of slightly over an hour the game was called and reverted back to a 3-1 New York win. Both teams protested the game in the ninth inning; the Yankees because of McDougald's ejection and the White Sox claimed that the field was not covered quickly enough at the start of last delay; in essence the Yankee grounds crew was also stalling. On August 29, American League President Will Harridge announced that the Chicago protest was disallowed and he criticized manager Paul Richards for negative remarks about the Yankees, the umpires and the league office. It was umpire Hank Soar in charge of the game that day who made the final decision to call the contest. July 27, 1964 – He was the first of the great White Sox shortstops playing his entire 20-year career on the South Side and on this day Luke Appling was inducted into the Hall of Fame receiving a little over 70 per cent of the vote. Appling made four All-Star teams with four hits in nine at-bats, won batting titles in 1936 and 1943 and in 1936 drove in 128 RBI’s, twice he also had over 100 walks in a season. He finished with 2,749 hits, 1,116 RBI’s and a lifetime batting average of .310 July 27, 1964 – The same day Sox shortstop Luke Appling entered the Hall of Fame former Sox pitcher Urban “Red” Faber also gained admission. Faber spent his entire 20-year career with the White Sox winning 254 games with a career ERA of 3.15. He also won three games for the Sox in the 1917 World Series triumph over the New York Giants. In 14 of those 20 seasons he won in double figures with four of those years topping the 20-win mark. He also threw 4,086 innings! July 27, 1973 - Sox vice president Stu Holcomb ‘retired’ under pressure after his hard-line approach on salaries destroyed the 1973 White Sox. When players wouldn’t come to terms with his initial offer, Holcomb ordered, then player personnel director Roland Hemond, to release them. Not try to compromise with them or try to trade them to get something back... but release them. The Sox gave away Jay Johnstone, Ed Spiezio, Mike Andrews and Rick Reichardt. When Holcomb ordered Hemond to release 21-game winner Stan Bahnsen, Hemond and manager Chuck Tanner went to owner John Allyn. Hemond and Tanner threatened to quit if something wasn’t done. Allyn sided with the duo and Holcomb was history bringing some stability to the front office although the damage was already done. When the Sox suffered injury after injury that year, using the disabled list 38 times, there was little depth to try to fill the gaping holes. They’d end the season in fifth place at 77-85 after leading the division in late May. July 27, 2008 – It all began with the White Sox in 1972 and it ended on this day as Rich “Goose” Gossage was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Gossage was 20 years old when he started his career with the Sox going 7-1 in his rookie season. He was mentored by then manager Chuck Tanner and pitching coach Johnny Sain, who taught him a breaking ball and changeup. Sox first baseman Dick Allen taught him how a hitter thinks and how to set them up and by 1975 Gossage was the A.L. Fireman of the Year with 26 saves, nine wins and an ERA of 1.84. He’d pitch for 22 years, five with the White Sox and end up with 324 saves and 124 wins. He had 30 saves and 29 wins in his time on the South Side. July 27, 2014 - He is one of only two skippers to work over five thousand games in American professional sports history and he started at a very young age with the White Sox in August 1979. Tony LaRussa was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame on this day. LaRussa is also one of only a handful of managers with a law degree. He led the White Sox from that August 1979 day through June 1986 recording four winning seasons and the 1983 Western Division title. After leading the A’s and Cardinals to multiple World Series crowns he came back out of retirement to take over the White Sox in 2021, again winning a division title with 93 victories before things went south in 2022 in part because of health issues. July 27, 2014 - Former White Sox star Frank Thomas, the “Big Hurt” was inducted into the Hall of Fame. Thomas played 16 years with the Sox and holds every major hitting record in team history. He was the American League M.V.P. in back-to-back years, 1993 and 1994 and finished in the top ten in that voting nine other times. He was the Comeback Player of the Year in 2000 and helped the Sox on their way to winning the 2005 World Series before getting injured in mid-season. He received almost 84 per cent of the vote becoming the first White Sox player ever inducted on the first ballot. And he did it cleanly, never being accused at any time of enhancing his performance with steroids.

And maybe he's been told "not to run hard" to prevent another injury. ?

Sully's take on the deal and if the Sox will rebuild: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-rick-hahn-trade-deadline-20230727-yoggeu72tvhshiuvftaeeissye-story.html

Posted tonight at the Chicago Tribune: “Given this club’s performance over the course of the last several months, it’s apparent that these types of moves have to take place given where we’re at and putting us in the best position we can be going forward. “Obviously Lucas’ and Reynaldo’s tenure with the White Sox is not ending in the way we envisioned when we first acquired them,” “They will both certainly be missed and certainly both can help make that Angels team better positioned for hopefully a postseason run for both of them."

Of course Hahn is in charge this talk about Kenny who is basically semi-retired coming back to take over is nonsense.

He missed the first two months of the season with injuries. He'll fit right in with the Sox!

The Sun-Times no longer has a paywall they just want you to register. The Sun-Times is now a non-profit news organization in fact the Tribune has stopped blocking access to their stories too.