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Liam Hendriks' return appears imminent
Lip Man 1 replied to South Side Hit Men's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Wish him all the best, hope the Sox can get something decent for him when the sell-off starts in July. -
The inmates are running the asylum.
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But remember according to him he's "the best player on the field..." LOL ?
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Probably both.
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This is all based though on current Sox ownership remaining in place. I wouldn't take that bet myself.
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Random Thoughts: *7th time this year the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later…and lost the game. *The Sox continue to put players in position to fail by playing them out of position. Jimenez, Vaughn, Sheets, Burger, Frazier et al come to mind. *The Sox almost seem to be thumbing their noses at things like defense and fundamentals. It is costing them games yet no one is held accountable at any level. *Tim Anderson is simply not a very good shortstop. Another "bobble" in a key situation. *The Sox bizarrely insist on “resting” guys (usually their best players) IN DIVISION GAMES instead of waiting for non-division opponents. Example they play the Angels on Monday, why couldn’t guys play today and take Monday? Plus you can question if they even should have any days off. The Sox get off days on the 1st and the 5th. This continues to be an incompetent, dysfunctional and inept organization from top to bottom.
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Defense, fundamentals don't matter to this organization...hasn't for years.
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May 28, 1956 - The Sox purchased pitcher Gerry Staley from the Yankees. Staley would become one of the top relief pitchers in the league by 1959 helping the Sox win the pennant. That season he went 8-5 with a 2.24 ERA and a league leading 15 saves. He came into a bases loaded one out situation in the ninth inning at Cleveland on September 22 with the Sox clinging to a 4-2 lead. He threw one pitch to Vic Power who rapped into a double play and the Sox won the pennant for the first time in 40 years. His teammate Omar “Turk” Lown also had 15 saves. In 1960 Staley would make the All-Star team. May 28, 1973 – It was a night Wilbur Wood did something that rarely happens in baseball. Two days earlier the game between Cleveland and the White Sox was suspended by curfew at Comiskey Park, tied at two after 16 innings. Rain washed out action on May 27 so when the suspended game was resumed the next day, it was Wood’s turn to pitch. He went out and threw five innings before the Sox would win it 6-3 in 21 innings. 30 minutes later Wood went out and started the regularly scheduled game. He would toss a complete game, four-hitter, winning 4-0. Two wins in one evening! His line for the night, 14 innings pitched, one run, six hits, nine strikeouts, two wins. Wilbur was now 13-3 on the season and it wasn’t even June. May 28, 1986 - In a game against the Rangers in Arlington, Texas, Sox pitcher Joe Cowley struck out the first seven men he faced which set an American League record. He fanned Oddibe McDowell, former Sox infielder Scott Fletcher, Pete O’Brien, Pete Incaviglia, Gary Ward, George Wright and Steve Buechele in order. However, Cowley wound up pitching only four plus innings giving up six runs, five earned, and took the loss in a 6-3 defeat. May 28, 1995 - At Tiger Stadium, Detroit jumped out to a 4-0 lead after one inning and 7-1 after two, but the White Sox rallied to win, 14-12. The game set an MLB record with 12 combined home runs, seven by the Tigers and five by the White Sox. Frank Thomas, Ray Durham, Craig Grebeck, and Ron Karkovice (twice) hit home runs for the Sox with Durham, Karkovice and Grebeck going back-to-back-to-back jacks in the fourth inning. For all the home runs, it was a Mike Devereaux ground out in the eighth inning that provided the eventual game-winner, giving the White Sox a 12-11 lead. May 28, 1999 - Sox infielder Greg Norton hit two home runs in a game for the second consecutive game. He was the first Sox player to pull that off since Zeke Bonura did it in 1935. All four of his home runs came in Detroit against the Tigers. The home runs accounted for six RBI’s.
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Exactly. We'd get Hahn smugly deciding to talk to the media and basically say 'told you so.'
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May 27, 1994 - Wilson Alvarez was masterful in extending his winning streak to a then club-record tying 15 games. The Venezuelan left-hander fired a six-hit shutout at the Baltimore Orioles in the White Sox 3-0 win at Comiskey Park. The win was the last in Alvarez’s streak which began on August 24, 1993. Darrin Jackson doubled in a run in the first, Tim Raines’ sacrifice fly brought home a run in the seventh and Frank Thomas homered in the eighth. Alverez’s streak would end on June 7 at Comiskey Park when he was bombed by the Blue Jays in a 9-5 loss only going three innings giving up six runs. May 27, 2017 – The White Sox scored a coup and surprised the baseball world by announcing the signing of 19-year-old Cuban outfield prospect Luis Robert to a minor league contract. Robert’s deal included a stunning 26 million dollar signing bonus. Robert was on the radar of Major League teams since he was 15 years old because of his speed, power and compact swing. He was considered one of the top amateur players in the world and represented a significant addition as the White Sox were rebuilding a franchise that had grown stale and had limited success on the field and in the stands. He had a tremendous 2019 minor league season and then signed a long-term contract extension with the Sox before making his big-league debut in 2020 where he won a Gold Glove and finished second in the Rookie of the Year voting. Injuries have slowed his development in both 2021 and 2022 but his potential remains unlimited.
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Since the start of the 2007 season they have had only five winning years. One of those was a pandemic shortened 60 game season. We shouldn't be surprised.
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And that's a 17 hit, 12-3 White Sox Winner!
Lip Man 1 replied to chitownsportsfan's topic in Pale Hose Talk
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Jimmy Piersall told me the same thing when I interviewed him. Said Bill was a fraud. Sox historian Rich Lindberg felt the same way about him. ML: I guess this is a good time to ask your thoughts on Bill Veeck. Too many Sox fans he was the Pied Piper for the common fan, he saved the franchise from moving to Seattle in December 1975 but others have suggested that the man the fans saw, was different from the man who tried to run the franchise. Is that a true statement? JP: “I would say so. He was a fraud. He never had any money to run the team with. Harry didn’t like him either. One day he was talking with some people, I happened to be walking past, and I heard him say “(Eric) Soderholm just can’t play third base.” Another person then said, “Yea but who else are you going to be able to get?” That just about sums things up.
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May 26, 1959 – Sox owner Bill Veeck was always good for a crazy stunt but this one topped the cake. Before a game against the Indians, midgets dressed up as Martians ‘landed’ at Comiskey Park (via helicopter) and ‘captured’ Nellie Fox and Luis Aparicio. One of the midgets was Eddie Gaedel. Terms were discussed for releasing the two Sox players when the Martian leader, (Gaedel) said "Don’t bother taking me to your leader (Veeck), I’ve already met him." Gaedel, of course, came up to bat for Veeck’s St. Louis Browns in 1951. May 26, 1968 - In an effort to jump start a stagnant offense, Sox manager Eddie Stanky batted pitcher Gary Peters in the #6 slot in a game in New York. Peters who had 19 career home runs, was listed in the order ahead of Luis Aparicio, Duane Josephson and Tim Cullen. The move didn’t help though as the Sox lost 5-1 to Mel Stottlemyre. Peters went 0 for 2 in the contest as the Sox only managed four hits. May 26, 1976 - Recently acquired pitcher Ken Brett nearly threw a perfect game and then a no-hitter, only to lose it on a controversial ruling by the official scorer. In a night game in Anaheim, Brett had a perfect game for almost eight complete innings before walking Leroy Stanton. Then with two out in the ninth inning of a scoreless game, Jerry Remy hit a ground ball that Sox third baseman George Orta badly misplayed, with the ball going under his glove. Official scorer Don Merry of the Long Beach Independent Telegram called it a hit. Other writers disagreed with the ruling, the Sox players were incensed and radio broadcaster Harry Caray went crazy on the air but the decision stood. Former Sox player Bill Melton would get a clean single with one gone in the 10th inning ending the controversy. The Sox would finally win it 1-0 in 11 innings on a single by Russell “Bucky” Dent. It was their 10th straight victory. May 26, 1996 - For the first time in franchise history the Sox hit four home runs in an inning. It happened in a 12-1 rout over the Brewers at Comiskey Park. In the eighth inning Frank Thomas, Harold Baines, Robin Ventura and Chad Kreuter all found the seats. Thomas, Baines and Ventura went back-to-back to back. The first three home runs were hit off Mike Potts, Kreuter went deep off former Sox pitcher Ramon Garcia.
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They face another stiff with a sky high ERA tonight too, maybe they can actually score three runs! ?
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That's the White Sox way.
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Past time to get Anderson out of the top of the order
Lip Man 1 replied to CentralChamps21's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Easiest excuse in the world is to blame the fan base, the organization has been doing it for years...Kenny, Hahn, Ozzie, Cooper et al. It just comes naturally to some I guess easier than admitting the franchise is incompetent, dysfunctional and inept usually on and off the field. -
If you believe Garfein Yoan is gone after the 2024 year.
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May 25, 1924 - In a game at Washington which the Sox won 10-9, future Hall of Famer Ray “Cracker” Schalk caught his 1,500th career game. At the time of his retirement in 1929, Schalk had the third-most games caught all-time and second-most games caught in A.L. history. May 25, 1952 - Sox pitchers Joe Dobson and Marv Grissom both fired complete game shutouts in beating the Tigers in a double header at Comiskey Park. The Sox won the games by the scores of 3-0 and 1-0. For the afternoon Detroit only had eight total hits. Grissom would later become the White Sox pitching coach under manager Eddie Stanky. May 25, 1957 - Sox pitcher Dick Donovan hurled a one-hitter at Cleveland striking out four. Donovan allowed only a second inning double to right field from former Sox infielder Eddie Robinson in winning 4-0. He beat future teammate Early Wynn. May 25, 1973 – It was the beginning of the end for what was expected to be a stellar season. In the second inning of a game with the Indians, Sox outfielder Ken Henderson tore up his knee in a collision at home plate trying to slide through future Sox pitching coach Dave Duncan. The Sox at the time were 10 games over .500 at 24-14 with a two and a half game lead in the division. This injury started a run that saw the Sox use the injured list 38 times in 1973. Making matters worse, is that for some reason, the Sox refused to allow Henderson to have it operated on until September, meaning he was lost for the season, not that it would have made much difference considering all the other injuries that happened. The Sox would end 1973 with a record of 77-85. Remarkably he came back to play all 162 games in 1974 though and blasted 20 home runs with 95 RBI’s.
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Why did the downfall happen and could it have been avoided?
Lip Man 1 replied to Dominikk85's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Back when Jerry actually spoke with the media both he and Einhorn both said they don't believe in paying for possible "potential." -
May 24, 1929 - In one of the greatest pitching performances in the history of baseball, Sox starter Ted Lyons threw all 21 innings in a heartbreaking 6-5 loss to the Tigers. He allowed 24 hits in the 21 innings and faced an incredible 85 hitters. His opponent that day, George Uhle, pitched 20 innings and faced 79 batters himself. Only five other hurlers have ever thrown more innings in a game than Lyons, none of those from the White Sox May 24, 1946 - Sox manager Jimmy Dykes was fired by the organization. Dykes was in charge for 12 years, 13 days, the longest tenure in franchise history. His White Sox record was 899-940. The 899 wins is the franchise’s most ever by a manager. He also was involved in a footnote that could have changed White Sox and baseball history. In March 1938, the White Sox played a benefit exhibition against the Pasadena Sox, a group of young players from that California city. Holding forth on the local team was a 19-year-old black youth who made several brilliant plays. Dykes said, “Geez, if that kid was white, I’d sign him right now.” In March of 1942, Dykes allowed the phenom and another black baseball player, Nate Moreland, to try out for the White Sox. He sent them away without an offer. Perhaps he allowed the tryouts only to deflect racial criticism, since no Major League team had yet expressed any positive attitude toward integration. In any event, nothing came of it. How history might have changed if he had been able to offer a contract to that phenom, a lad named Jackie Robinson! May 24, 1961 - For the first time since the 1950 season the Sox dropped into last place in the American League for a time after they lost a double header in Baltimore 5-3 and 6-4. The plight of the Sox actually caused some Chicago aldermen in city council session to publicly ask what was going on. The Sox would rebound though to end the year in fourth place with 86 wins. May 24, 1967 - Sox first baseman Tommy McCraw had his career day. In a game at Minnesota, McCraw slammed three home runs and knocked in eight RBI’s as the Sox pounded the Twins 14-1. On the day he went 3 for 6, with three runs scored. The eight RBI’s, tied a franchise record. May 24, 1983 - The 1983 season turned around completely on this evening as the White Sox destroyed Boston and pitcher Doug Bird 12-4. Bird, who hadn’t lost a game in two years, was roughed up as the Sox blasted five home runs on the night. Greg Luzinski hit one of them which was his fifth shot in five games. It was the start of the drive that would lead, four months later, to the Western Division championship and 99 wins. May 24, 2011 - Sox outfielder Carlos Quentin wrote his name in the franchise record book when he hit three home runs in a game against the Rangers. Quentin hit them before and after a rain/high wind delay of almost three hours which caused the game to end at 1:27AM local time. He went 3 for 5 on the night with five RBI’s in the Sox 8-6 win.
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Why did the downfall happen and could it have been avoided?
Lip Man 1 replied to Dominikk85's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Simple answer: An incompetent, dysfunctional and inept front office led by an owner who feels "fiscal responsibility" is more important than winning despite the fact MLB is a 10 Billion dollar a year business.