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That's some low bar to aspire to for a baseball franchise, no? ?

Except JR has consistently told his family to sell the Sox and keep the Bulls. Michael will not be running the franchise now or ever in my opinion.

Kelly that signing by TLR and Hahn now has an ERA of seven. He's owed 17 million dollars for two years. Think about that one.

My own personal take is that the Sox are finished and they should shut down Grandal, Anderson, Moncada, Jimenez and Robert for the season. Give them a head start on recovering, give them more time. Some of these guys may want to play in the WBC which means they'll need as much time off as they can get. While I always want to see the Sox at least have a winning season there really isn't much difference between 83 wins and 75. The Sox could improve their draft position by "tanking" the final month, just play the rookies, the scrubs and the guys who aren't coming back next year anyway. Then in the off season they need to do a house cleaning with the baseball side of the operations including the medical, training and conditioning staffs.

That's a valid point. It seems in many of the games he plays he never seems to be at 100%.

This is information gathered from the White Sox media guide and the Fox Sports web site: From the media guide: 2018-IL Hamstring (missed 5-5 to 5-14) 2019-IL Hamstring (missed 7-31 to 8-22) 2020-COVID (missed most of summer camp) 2021-Bruised hand (missed 7-1 to 7-4) 2022-IL Oblique (missed 4-7 to 5/9) 2022-Quad injury (couldn't find if he went on IL or not) 2022-Hamstring (missed 8/26 to ???) The Fox web site lists this under his injuries that caused him to miss time. They don't have specifics if he went on the IL or not. DATE INJURY 8/25/22 Hamstring 7/6/22 Foot 6/17/22 Hamstring 5/28/22 Quad 4/7/22 Oblique 7/1/21 Hand 6/15/21 Illness 8/29/20 Leg 7/30/19 Hamstring 6/26/19 Knee 6/16/19 Back 6/10/19 Back 6/2/19 Leg Soreness 5/5/18 Left hamstring tightness 5/4/18 Left hamstring tightness 4/21/18 Sore left hamstring

Interesting take, it's possible. He needs to do something, three suspensions in the past two years is not a good look for "the face of the franchise..."

And to think at one time this guy was the absolute #1 prospect in all of minor league baseball.

I think both guys are flotsam and jetsam myself. Vince has had five or six years of mediocrity, he is what he is. He's not going to "suddenly" find it in my opinion. Another waste of money and roster space by the Sox G.M.

I think we can also agree that Moncada is injury prone, two or three times just this year on the IL. I hope he does something productive in the off season to help slow this trend down other than make music videos where he sings and dances.

You forgot the Tigers/Red Wings owner Mike Iilitch

Sun-Times with a story, calculating how bad the injuries have impacted the Sox: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/8/27/23319923/white-sox-cubs-injuries-impact-war

Michael is running the Bulls, he's not going to take over two franchises.

All you can do is laugh...from Mark Gonzales' post game story: "La Russa, however, all but ruled out Robert heading to the 10-day injured list. “If he gets the weekend off and [with] the day off Monday and all of a sudden he’s ready Tuesday, he’s definitely worth it,” La Russa said." Left fielder Eloy Jimenez left the game in the ninth, three innings after appearing to limp while running out an infield hit.

Keep in mind while by all accounts TLR and most of this coaching staff should be fired, this organization actually extended Terry Bevington after the Sox collapsed in 1996 after a 40-21 start blowing a wild card position the final month. Bevington by all accounts was incompetent as a manager. But the fans and the media wanted him gone...JR doesn't like being told what he should do.

After winning five straight and moving to within a game of first place they've lost seven of nine and in my opinion are toast. Maybe they can finish with a winning record but that's a far cry from a "World Series contender." If they finish with a losing record Hahn will have presided over eight losing seasons in 10 years. How anyone could justify rationally keeping him in his position is beyond me.

Apparently the boos were raining down at the end of the game. TLR was asked about and he said, "They have every right to be upset-at the team, management, whatever, they've got every right to do it."

He's given up more home runs this year than I think the last two or three years combined.

D.O.A.

The White Sox have now scored three runs or less in six of their last nine games and in 64 of the 126 games played so far this season. That's 51% This offense is simply horrendous, injuries be damned.

Actually it was pitcher Dave Stewart of the A's. In June after the Sox beat him and swept the A's in a weekend series in Oakland he said (don't have the exact quote) 'They have only a few players Calderon, Kittle, Fisk...the rest can't hold my jock.' This is from my interview with Donn Pall: DP: "We thought it was pretty funny. The guys didn’t take it personally and we didn’t draw a lot of inspiration from it. I do remember the fans reaction to it though; they had that big jockstrap in the bleachers and then threw a bunch of jocks on the field the next time Dave pitched.”

Wasn't sure where to post this link , this is as good a place as any, Rick Morrissey of the Sun-Times writes what all Sox fans hope for but fear what will happen: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2022/8/26/23323627/trying-and-failing-to-imagine-jerry-reinsdorf-holding-white-sox-employees-accountable-tony-la-russa

South Side: No worries. I understand your perspective as well and there is a lot of sense to it. Hahn would disagree about Eloy though. LOL Remember he got bent out of shape when the media wrote that he was. LOL. And as an aside all these injuries the past two years may just give JR and company an easy excuse not to change anything dramatically basically saying, "well everyone was hurt. Sooner or later our injury luck has got to change so let's stay the course..."

My friend was comparing the fact that in both of the seasons on the same calendar date a back breaking event occurred which fans feel basically ended the season. The Stevens home run in 1990 and perhaps Engel's drop last night.

That's true, I don't think the Sox were picked to finish higher than fifth or sixth in the West that year but they had a hungry group of talented kids who started off well and the ball kept rolling.