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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Based on attached, JR and Sox are also losing money with attendance drop. So lower payroll is not pure profit for Sox. http://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/0...tm_campaign=AOL With respect I don't buy it. MLB teams are making money hand over foot with the multiple revenue streams. The Sox may not be making "as much" money...but rest assured they are making it none the less. Attendance is still important (and parking and concessions) but it's not as important say as in the 1960's. TV is supplying a lot of the income as well. In fact I remember reading where TV money is now supplying 53% of all MLB income, and at least some of that is shared revenue among all teams.

About time...wish they'd do the same to Shields.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) Milwaukee had the lowest MLB team payroll on this past Opening Day with $63 million dollars. The 2018 White sox team payroll will be the lowest payroll in MLB.It will be much less than $63 million dollars. After the trade of Avi Garcia and probably Abreu the payroll will be less than $40 million. Always remember, low payroll=big profits=more moola for JR. Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself in literally every single conspiracy-themed post? You know what? If the Sox payroll next year, for the team, is 15 million dollars, WHO THE HELL CARES? They are going to suck next year, get used to it now. It's part of the plan. And you know what? That's completely fine, they aren't ready to win. As for me this is the last time I'm going to respond or read any of your tripe.

And with that the Sox now have officially recorded their 5th straight losing season (and 8th in the last 11 years). Last time it happened? 1944-1950. But at least now there seems to be some real hope for the future (and we all know what happened for the franchise starting in 1951 through 1967 don't we???)

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 4, 2017 -> 07:21 AM) Avi becomes a free agent at the end of the 2019 season. If Hahn doesn't sign him to a long term contract this off season it presents some bad possibilities. Lets say Avi has another good season in 2018 and he's not signed to a long term contract. He'll be looking at some serious money once he becomes a free agent after 2019. There's no way Hahn/JR is going to give Avi a gigantic contract. Everything points to him being traded this off season. I keep hearing that the 2018 team payroll will be less than $40 million dollars. Low payroll=more profits=more moola in JRs pocket. Right (sarcasm implied) Do you really believe the stuff you write or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

QUOTE (Donaldo @ Sep 3, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) With the depth we have at SP (Rodon, Kopech, Hansen, Gio, ReyLo, Dunning), I'm guessing Lucas will eventually be a #4 or #5 starter. That's scary, isn't it? Let's hope so although I personally think Rodon will be traded in a year or two because of his agent and the fact that he'll take him to free agency.

I still have my doubts on him and apparently so does Hahn who a few weeks ago left open the possibility of Avi not being around when the team is good.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Take a Jay Cutler. The dude had Hall of Fame potential, but no coach could get through to him. Does that mean all of the coaches that had him were failures? Very fair point.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Aug 28, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) Can you give any specific examples for any part of this post. I'm genuinely curious. For example I have on the computer the screen shots of Cooper's comments on twitter ripping Sox fans. I'm sorry I have no idea how to post those but that wasn't the first time he's done this. Also numerous times on his radio show segment, he has gone off on the fan-base. It's unfortunate since the Sox need all the fans they can get. I've always been very surprised since this has happened often that JR or someone in the front office, hasn't spoken to him about this. It simply makes no business sense to rip on the paying customers / potential future customers. http://sportsmockery.com/2015/04/pitching-...white-sox-fans/

QUOTE (ron883 @ Aug 27, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) I was just thinking how lucky the Sox are to have one of the all time great pitching coaches. Sometimes I take it for granted that we've got him. He is one of the best, and he seems to love the south side and the organization. He will no doubt have a job with the team until he decides he wants to hang it up. How do you rate Coop currently and in terms of the all time greats? I'm really not sure the best way to rank pitching coaches. People always say hitting coaches don't have a huge impact, but I think most can agree that pitching coaches are a bit more impactful on the game. Cheers to Coop. He's the man. Don is a good pitching coach (although the last few years have shown mixed results) but by far the best White Sox pitching coach ever was Ray Berres who worked for many years under Al Lopez. The number of pitchers he helped and turned out in the 50's and 60's is staggering. And Johnny Sain, Chuck Tanner's pitching coach had a run of years (including many when he was with other teams) of having at least a 20 game winner every season. Those two stand out to me as 1-2 for the Sox all time.

Another one bites the dust. You can't make this stuff up folks.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 26, 2017 -> 06:12 AM) Belated Happy Birthday if you were talking about yourself. Many thanks. I fooled them again made it through another year! LOL.

Always nice to get a win on your birthday.

Given that this team has used the DL over 20 times (most for far longer than 10 days), I'm not surprised. Typical White Sox luck.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) Hostetler was on the radio over the weekend and made a point amount the big increase in the scouting, analytics and minor league budget this past year. He said this priority coincided with the rebuilding philosophy That's good to know. Very good news!

Not surprised. This team has been a M*A*S*H unit the entire season. For an organization that prides itself on keeping guys healthy, something went seriously off the tracks this year. Just hope it is nothing serious or even nagging. Ever try to do anything with shin splints? Basically you can't and Moncada is a kid they are putting a tremendous amount of faith in to help turn things around.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 24, 2017 -> 09:23 PM) He's had them for most of the season. It won't get substantially better until he rests in the off season. By the stumble that caused it, i would guess it's his posterior tibial tendon as the MTSS cause. A least it's not like Tilson and his constant stress reactions but it's nothing to sneeze at, they are painful. Don't know if reoccur after rest or not. For the Sox sake they better not be on-going.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 24, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) Putnam is already going to miss most (if not all) of next season. And Jones is no sure thing either. Not with his injury history and coming off nerve surgery.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) I was a this game sitting in RF. It was before they remodeled the stadium, so the seats still had a perfect view of the perfectly inactive bullpen in LF of the White Sox. I will never forget the bullpen door opening and the bullpen catcher coming out and putting him arms up in a WTF do you want manner. It was awful. It also was on the day the Sox retired Fisk's #72.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Leury supposedly lost it in the lights and never touched it so no error Just a point here on this. An official scorer has the right to charge an error if he or she thinks the ball should have been caught (or played) even if it wasn't touched by the defender.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) It just amazes me how brutal this bullpen is. There needs to be work this off season to shore it up Why? It's not like the Sox are winning anything or really competing in 2018. Stick some of the more "experienced" minor league kids (not the top prospects) in there and see what they can do. Maybe the Sox get lucky on someone.

I'm beginning to have my doubts about Mr. Fulmer given his control issues and his overall pitching motion.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) It's OK to be pissed off and have a post like this. The team you describe would (no hyperbole) by far be the worst in baseball history. It'd be lucky to back into 40 victories. He's venting. Some fans like he and me still are upset we have to go through this right now. Some of us believe the unabashed losing is not going to be helpful to the prospects, either. Hopefully I'm wrong. But you have to admit, the owners do have it made through this popular rebuild. Everytime a salary is dumped, the fans are giddy cause we lose more and also gain can't miss prospects that someday will pay off. It's perfect for owners. They can have the lowest payroll ever, and make record profits and the fans are thrilled cause we lose more. It's really a unique time. Tanking wasn't always popular. I understand that however literally almost every single post contains conspiracy theories, inane comments and digs at JR. Look I'm not the biggest JR fan in the world, he's done some good things, he's done some things that have been extremely harmful to the franchise but I'm not willing to think he's tanking on purpose to increase his bank account, that's insane. He just gave 28 million to Robert for example. And the thought that Hahn is a secret Cub fan implying that he's out to destroy the Sox and help the Cubs is flat out insane. INSANE. That is going beyond venting which I completely understand. Maybe this guy is simply trying to get a reaction from other posters...if so, mission accomplished!

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) Avi is the King of Infield hits. Hasn't been killing the ball . Can't remember his last HR but I'd venture to say he has like 1 in the last close to 2 months. I think he's had three since the All Star break but he's also missed a ton of games to.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) The off season starts with Hahn trading Avi Garcia and Abreu for more prospects. This will be done in the name of a rebuild. I see it as more of a salary dump to get this team to have the lowest payroll in MLB. All this translates into more profits for JR. This leaves the team with the following lineup: 1B=Gillaspie, 2B=Moncada, SS=Anderson, 3B=Davidson, LF=L. Garcia, CF=Engle, RF=Delmonico, C=Smith. Starting Rotation Rodon, Shields, Lopez and Holland. (Hahn resigns Holland thinking that he'll have a rebound year) Bullpen= The same group who are in our present bullpen. After Rodon gets off to a good start Hahn will sign him to a contract extension. After the All Star break Hahn will then trade Rodon to the Cubs for more of their prospects. Nobody ever talks about this but Hahn is a life long Cubs fan. He never attended a White Sox game in his life until he started working for them. And finally for a job well done (Last place team with the lowest payroll=enormous profits) JR will reward Hahn with another contract extension, This may be one of the most ludicrous posts I've ever seen on any message board. If you honestly believe the stuff that you write, full of conspiracy theories and opinions that have no basis in fact, it may be time to seek professional help.