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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 09:20 AM) The White Sox had an equal opportunity to trade for him...but failed to have the right pieces in their system. You could argue just as easily making great moves for Kinsler, Iglesias, JD Martinez and Victor Martinez...not to mention Price, who was turned into Fulmer. It's not the owner's fault he wants to win...it's almost like you're blaming Ilich for overspending. The difference is JR is always businessman first, hence the departure of Buehrle. He's loyal, yes, but only when 100% comfortable with the cost. Ilich is fan first, profitability second. As I remember it (and someone please feel free to check) the reason the Sox weren't able to finish the deal for Miggy was because they refused to take on the contract of the pitcher the Marlins were trying to get rid of. Sorry I don't remember his name, he had a few good seasons mostly with them, had a funky delivery, then completely lost it. Mark

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 10:21 PM) Sox could have talked Buehrle into pitching for pennies this year and kept Danks and worked with him. Danks could have been no worse than Shields, Albers and the like. Fire Hahn. Fire Robin. SELL THE TEAM Jerry. Mark had no interest in returning and supposedly needed surgery to even think about trying to pitch. Mark

QUOTE (captain54 @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 12:27 PM) the only news media outlet in Chicago that anyone really pays attention to anymore is the Tribune. and even though they relinquished a great majority of their stake in the Cubs 7 yrs ago, you will still have Sox fans claiming Cub bias when anyone of the Trib writers goes all negative on the Sox…. which is something I never quite understood…. They still own 5% of the franchise I believe. Mark

Remember the same front office who is either going to oversee a rebuild or "go for it" again next year, is the same group that acquired Shields & Turner. Scary thought isn't it? Mark

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 02:17 PM) Understanding and also patience. The Sox have had a lot of bad luck, bad breaks and bad timing. There is a plenty of time until Opening Day 2017 to improve the team. "Luck is the reside of design..." ---Hall of Fame executive Branch Rickey. Mark

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) I think they will. It us very hard to replace 40 homers and 100 RBI plus decent dwfebaecabd being a team leader It will be interesting. He's said he wants to stay but we'll see how much he's offered and how much he thinks he'll get on the open market if he reaches that. Personally I don't think he'll give the Sox a 'hometown discount" and I think the Sox will refuse to pay say 75 million for a multi year deal. I think he's traded next July if the Sox are still rolling in mediocrity. If they are actually in it they'll hang on to him until he becomes a free agent. Mark

And the crowd goes wild..."yea..." Mark

Story in the Sun-Times today said the MLB naming rights average sponsorship money is four million a year. Sox are getting less that that. However as others have pointed out the separate deal which the Sox decline to reveal details on could move the needle up on the Sox yearly money figure. Mark

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 03:49 AM) If Sale or Q were going to be moved in the offseason it's likely we would have done something like move Melky or Robertson at the deadline. You're assuming another team was interested in them. I'd like to think there was...but who knows for sure. Mark

For what it's worth I can only tell you what I was told after the trade deadline by two sources, that JR does not want to trade Sale or Quintana and that he wants to "go for it" again next year. Maybe he changes his mind over the winter...we'll see. Mark

11 hits and two walks in the first five innings and they only score two runs. It's really laughable and pathetic. Mark

I hope Avi isn't around next year, but these are the White Sox and you simply never know. Mark

20th game the Sox lost this year when holding an opponent to three runs or less. 12th game this year the Sox lost when leading in the 7th inning or later. If I was Sale I'd tell my agent to demand a trade this winter...this is utterly ridiculous. Mark

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 09:13 PM) I'm not feeling the same family White Sox fan vibe from horse face Ciardelli that I do from the Comiskeys granddaughter. OK, I'll give the guy a chance to show he can bring a few more fans in the seats, but he has already refused to eliminate the downward arrow which a lot of fans have objected to. Sorry for being negative but the last two losses at Detroit were BS and I'm not happy about the way the entire season has gone. From what I've been hearing he's really a Cub fan anyway...so what can you do? Mark

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) Hard to blame Ventura Yesterday- Ventura used Jones 3 nights in a row! Shoulda seen it coming! Today - Why is Robin using these scrubs!! I hate to defend Ventura, but what other stiffs can he throw out there?..they are all really, really bad...so from that perspective I guess it doesn't matter. Mark

Sox are now 21-43 at Comerica since the start of the 2010 season. Ventura is 14-32. And I understand the Sox don't have a lot of choices but you look at the ERA's of the pitchers they used tonight...Ranaudo 8.7; Albers 6.1; Turner 7.7 YIKES! Mark

I think the reasons are a talent gap, a manager gap and a scouting / adjustment gap. The other teams in the Central simply have more / better talent in those areas and have for the last four years at least. Mark

QUOTE (CregerMax @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) I love this site, I have read it for years. I really like the Sox fan perspective on the team. Unfortunately this thread is one of the reasons I didn't create an official login. Somebody tries to say something positive about anything and it goes negative right away, Guaranteed Rate has naming rights, so what! There CEO is rich and happens to be a Sox fan, good for him. I don't care if it was Summers Eve Park as long as it smelled great watching the Sox kick ass year after year. Love you all, Cregermax I was under the impression from reading the papers and seeing photos that he and his people are big, VERY BIG Cub fans. Mark

Sox have now blown and lost 11 games where they had a lead in the 7th inning or later. Jones now has nine blown saves, three losses and has had a direct hand in six of those 11 blown games. He needs to be moved out of the late inning role next year perhaps to the 6th or 7th inning if the Sox revamp their bullpen. Meanwhile its just another divisional loss, one of many this year and many more to come in the final month. Mark

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) The White Sox wouldn't be able to dump Avi's salary on any team in exchange for nothing. He literally has negative value. He's going to be non-tendered in the offseason. An inclusion of Avi in any trade means the Sox have to add more to the deal. I still would be surprised if Garcia was non-tendered, flat out doing that, letting him go reflects badly on the front office since he was the "centerpiece" of their first major deal under Hahn. I think he needs to go, absolutely...but the Sox won't just release him / give him away. Mark

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Potential 2017 bullpen: Putnam, Petricka, Jones, Jennings, Burdi, Robertson, Ynoa? This is a solid pen when healthy, there are a lot of ifs, such as can Burdi succeed in the majors, health, Robertson putting it back together. I'd rather have Ynoa than Albers. Need to see if a few of those guys can be upgraded...all depends on who is out there and if the Sox are "going for it" again in 2017. Mark

Nice to see them playing well lately and that Rodon seems to have turned it around. Hell maybe they can still finish over .500 for the year? Mark

QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) My guess is they're going for it in 2017. Guess I can't really blame them for that, since they could likely trade their assets for equal returns at the 2017 deadline / 2017-2018 offseason. It's just awful we're in August wishing it was December or April already. Horrid time to be a sox fan. You just hope none of those "assets" get hurt during the first part of next season before they have a chance to trade them...or their value goes up in smoke. Mark

QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Comments from KW earlier in the week indicated that the problems in 2016 were 'spearheaded" by bullpen injuries…. I take that to mean they are of the opinion that the catalyst for the horrific tumble after the 23-10 was the two guys in the pen that went down… That certainly addresses the issue of how the Sox got to lead the league in Blown Saves, and possibly how a closer ends up being one of the league leader in blown saves, but those stretches of non-existent offense, account equally for why the team is in the state it's in….IMHO Well going into tonight the Sox have scored three runs or less in 46% of their games this season. Mark