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I'll believe it when I see it. He better because that's the only way he may, notice I said may, be able to get the politicians and the public to help with the project.

DVS of the Sun-Times story: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/07/22/rehab-assignment-for-white-sox-yoan-moncada-halted

From the White Sox web site: RHP Mike Clevinger (right elbow inflammation, neck stiffness) Expected return: TBD Clevinger won’t make his next scheduled rehab start for Triple-A Charlotte, which was set for July 23, White Sox manager Pedro Grifol said. “Done for this start, but then we’ll reevaluate,” Grifol said. Clevinger threw four innings of one-run ball in his previous start for Charlotte on July 14. He made his last start for the White Sox on May 23. 3B Yoán Moncada (left adductor strain) Expected return: TBD Moncada has been experiencing “anticipated soreness” during his rehab stint, manager Pedro Grifol said. But Moncada does not seem comfortable with where he's at physically and his rehab as been put on pause for now. Grifol said it should not be viewed as a setback. “Even though you’re healed, it still feels similar to what it felt like when it first happened, but it’s not,” Grifol said. “It’s almost like he wants to be sure that he’s got no pain. Anticipating stuff, that’s kind of what that last thing is, just anticipating soreness but we want to err on the side of caution.” The switch-hitting third baseman has gone 8-for-15 over five games with the Arizona Complex League White Sox. Moncada was running to first on a grounder on April 9 when he doubled over in pain, and had to be helped off the field. He was placed on the IL the next day.

You can't have Crochet warming up potentially multiple times like relief pitchers sometimes do before entering a game, especially with this clown manager.

Well, that's eight straight losses now. Two more for another double-digit losing streak And in case you are wondering, in the 124 years of the franchise they have NEVER had a season where they had two or more losing streaks of at least 10 games. It's never happened before.

I take ANYTHING that doofus says with a big grain of salt. Although getting him would be a God send.

It's now 20...20 times the Sox had a lead going into the 7th inning or later...and lost the game. This is now the 4th time it happened in the 9th inning when they gave up a lead. Brebbia has now been personally responsible for four of these blown late/lost games. Another brilliant signing/waste of JR's money by Getz.

Hoping for another double-digit losing streak. Possibly the first time in franchise history they would have a pair in the same season.

My response was to Greg's original post basically talking about Dodger fans want to "win now" and they aren't like Sox fans or the Sox organization. I was trying to explain how the Dodgers are IN the playoffs, they can get Crochet, use him sparingly and have him ready to go in October when it counts. They can do this because they have a big divisional lead and aren't under the pressure of having to force someone because they are in a divisional race. If they want especially with three of their starters returning, they can use him an inning or two at a time every five days, have him throw on the side and be ready to give them five innings in the post season. THEN they could have themselves another top of the rotation starter with more time past TJ for another two years. Let's put it this way I have more faith in the Dodgers medical, training and conditioning staffs being able to work with him and work him through this than the dysfunctional White Sox people.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings?t=trades-and-transactions

A putrid offense for a putrid team.

Never put anything past this incompetent, dysfunctional and inept organization led by an ossified 88 year old owner.

I can't think of any White Sox executive who has ever had that authority myself, maybe Roland Hemond for awhile and certainly Hawk. I completely agree with the second bolded statement of yours. This franchise is D.O.A. until new ownership arrives.

Something obviously happened starting in 2007 that's for sure. Only five winning seasons since then compared to 16 winning seasons between 1981-2006.

Schriffin is off doing NBA Summer League games and Stone is on vacation.

From my interview with Roland (God rest his soul...) Roland Hemond’s Best Trades: (in chronological order...) 1. November 30, 1971: White Sox send Ken Berry, Syd O’Brien and Billy Wynne to California for catcher Tom Egan, starting pitcher Tom Bradley and outfielder Jay Johnstone. (Author’s Note: Bradley would win 15 games with a sub three ERA in both 1971 and 1972. Egan served as a very good backup to Ed Herrmann and Johnstone added speed, pinch hitting abilities and a crazy character to keep the clubhouse relaxed.) 2. December 2, 1971: White Sox send Tommy John and Steve Huntz to Los Angeles for first baseman Dick Allen. (Author’s Note: The trade that saved the franchise. Allen won the M.V.P. award in 1972 leading the Sox to a near division championship. His ability to hit for power and average was unmatched on the South Side for years. Named to three All-Star teams.) 3. December 2, 1971: White Sox send Rich McKinney to the Yankees for starting pitcher Stan Bahnsen. (Author’s Note: Bahnsen would win 54 games in three and a half seasons in Chicago including 21 in 1972.) 4. November 19, 1972: White Sox send Tom Bradley to San Francisco for outfielder Ken Henderson and pitcher Steve Stone. (Author’s Note: Henderson was a Gold Glove winning, power hitting center fielder while Stone added depth to the pitching staff. Bradley never regained the form that he showed with the Sox and was out of baseball by 1975.) 5. August 14, 1973: White Sox acquire starting pitcher Jim Kaat on waivers from Minnesota. (Author’s Note: Kaat was a two time 20 game winner for the Sox in 1974 and 1975. Made the All-Star team in 1975. Won 45 games in two and a quarter years in Chicago.) 6. June 15, 1975: White Sox send pitchers Stan Bahnsen and “Skip” Pitlock to Oakland for outfielder Chet Lemon and pitcher Dave Hamilton. (Author’s Note: Lemon would turn into one of the top center fielders in baseball with the Sox making the All-Star team twice. Hamilton was a regular contributor to the 1977 White Sox team with four wins and nine saves.) 7. December 11, 1975: White Sox send third baseman Bill Melton and pitcher Steve Dunning to California for first baseman Jim Spencer and outfielder Morris Nettles. (Author’s Note: Melton had a bad back and had worn out his welcome getting into a shouting match in a Milwaukee hotel lobby with broadcaster Harry Caray. Spencer meanwhile won a Gold Glove for his defensive prowess in 1977 saving many errors. He also had 18 home runs and 69 RBI’s for the “South Side Hit Men”, twice driving in eight runs in a game.) 8. April 4, 1977: White Sox send shortstop “Bucky” Dent to the Yankees for outfielder Oscar Gamble, pitchers LaMarr Hoyt and Bob Polinsky and cash. (Author’s Note: The deal was made because the Sox could not afford to resign Dent. Gamble blasted 31 home runs for the “South Side Hit Men.” Hoyt would become a very good starting pitcher winning the Cy Young Award after going 24-10 in 1983.) 9. July 10, 1979: White Sox send pitcher Jack Kucek to the Phillies for infielder Jim Morrison. (Author’s Note: When the Sox were being rebuilt in the early 80's Morrison provided stability and power at either second or third base. Had three seasons of double figure home run totals.) 10. December 12, 1980: White Sox send pitcher “Tex” Wortham to Montreal for second baseman Tony Bernazard. (Author’s Note: Bernazard was a switch hitter with speed and the ability to hit to all fields. He was a good second baseman in his two and a half years with the Sox. Hemond then sent him to Seattle for Julio Cruz a move that crystalized the 1983 team.) 11. January 25, 1983: White Sox send pitchers Steve Trout and Warren Brusstar to the Cubs for infielders Scott Fletcher and Pat Tabler along with pitchers Dick Tidrow and Randy Martz. (Author’s Note: Perhaps Hemond’s greatest deal. Roland used the free agent compensation rules that were in use at the time to inquire about getting Cubs future Hall of Fame pitcher Ferguson Jenkins whom they left unprotected. Cubs G.M. Dallas Green got word of it and quickly made this deal. Part of it was the promise by Hemond that the Sox would not take Jenkins. Fletcher and Tidrow were important parts of the 1983 team. Tabler was then traded to Cleveland for Jerry Dybzinski adding another part to the club.) 12. January 20, 1984: White Sox select starting pitcher Tom Seaver from the free agent compensation pool. (Author’s Note: The future Hall of Famer would win 32 games in two years with the Sox including his 300th beating the Yankees 4-1 on August 4, 1985.) 13. December 6, 1984: White Sox send pitcher LaMarr Hoyt and two minor leaguers to San Diego for pitchers Tim Lollar and Bill Long along with infielder/outfielder Luis Salazar and shortstop Ozzie Guillen. (Author’s Note: Hoyt would see his career quickly end after the 1985 season due to substance abuse. Lollar and Salazar helped the 1985 team to a winning record but Guillen would become the Rookie of the Year in 1985 and win a Gold Glove in 1990 along with becoming a three time All-Star.) Roland Hemond’s Best Deal That Never Happened: As part of the major rebuilding effort after the disaster of 1970, Hemond had worked out a trade with the Washington Senators that would have sent left handed relief specialist Darold Knowles to the White Sox for relief pitcher Wilbur Wood. However Wood was holding out and never signed a 1971 contract. Therefore the Sox couldn’t deal him until he did. By the time Wood signed the Senators were no longer interested. It turned out to be a major blessing for the Sox. Wood would blossom into one of the top starting pitchers of the decade, winning 20 or more games four times and being named to the All-Star team three times. He would be named a member of the Sox Team of the Century in 1999. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you never make!

I think there is some truth to that. But as I wrote I don't think he understands yet calling MLB as opposed to G-League, Slamball or NBA Summer League. Different type athletes, different skill sets, different rhythms to the sport and most importantly a totally different audience. He's not going anywhere short of new ownership so I hope next year is better, he's difficult to listen to.

If the Sox are willing to actually help pay for it that would alleviate a lot of those who are against it (including myself) but until JR holds a press conference and publicly says this, I'm not betting my life on it. Regarding the team next year DVS of the Sun-Times as part of a story a few days ago said the feeling is the Sox will not be very active in the free agent market (naturally...the money will NOT be spent! LOL) Under current ownership the bolded part is exactly correct, that's the only hope and hope is not a recipe for success.

Luis Alvarado, Mike Andrews, Tom Bradley, Tom Egan, Jay Johnstone, Pat Kelly, Rick Reichardt, Vicente Rome and Ed Stroud weren't prospects. They were competent Major league players who helped the Sox go from 56 wins (1970) to 79 (1971) in a single season, one of the biggest single season turnarounds in MLB history. To say nothing then about getting Dick Allen and Stan Bahnsen the following season. It wasn't Hemond's or Tanner's fault Allyn's outside business interests went bust and the franchise almost couldn't meet payroll (and for all the good Veeck did, financially he wasn't any better) or that Stu Holcomb who had no business being in a MLB front office ordered Hemond to release, not trade, release any player who wouldn't agree to his initial contract offer. July 27, 1973 - Sox vice president Stu Holcomb ‘retired’ under pressure after his hard-line approach on salaries destroyed the 1973 White Sox. When players wouldn’t come to terms with his initial offer, Holcomb ordered, then player personnel director Roland Hemond, to release them. Not try to compromise with them or try to trade them to get something back... but release them. The Sox gave away Jay Johnstone, Ed Spiezio, Mike Andrews and Rick Reichardt. When Holcomb ordered Hemond to release 21-game winner Stan Bahnsen, Hemond and manager Chuck Tanner went to owner John Allyn. Hemond and Tanner threatened to quit if something wasn’t done. Allyn sided with the duo and Holcomb was history bringing some stability to the front office although the damage was already done. When the Sox suffered injury after injury that year, using the disabled list 38 times, there was little depth to try to fill the gaping holes. They’d end the season in fifth place at 77-85 after leading the division in late May.

They already did that earlier this season at 14 setting the franchise record if I recall correctly.

19 times. That's how many times the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later...and lost the game. 19 They go winless for the season in Kansas City. Seven straight losses. I'll have to look to see if the Sox have ever had multiple double-digit losing streaks in a single season.

The biggest thing the Sox had going for them was that John Allyn had the guts to see things were off the rails, fired basically everyone and brought in Roland Hemond and Chuck Tanner. Things got better in a hurry. That's not going to happen with JR so keeping Crochet and Robert do nothing to really move the needle to being a competent, winning franchise again. So until new ownership arrives, keep getting prospects and hope. That's all you've got right now.

Glasnow starting Wednesday, Kershaw starting Thursday for the Dodgers. We'll see how they do and how it may impact their trade interest.

I'm guessing it is because the personal relationship between Brooks and Jason became toxic over time and Brooks wanted to let Jason know who was boss.

Let's go winless in Kansas City for the season! Don't stop now boys!