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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 12:57 AM) I feel a bullpen is something you spend excess money on, not primary money. But again if you want to compete and had as bad of a bullpen as the sox do then you have to spend either money or trades to fix it. But this is telling if they are serious in Robertson then they might have more money to play with then thought of and really should make for a exciting winter meetings and rest of off season.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 12:45 AM) Ugh. I know our bullpen sucked last year, but I hate giving big money to relievers, especially on anything over 2 years. Robertson is a fantastic pitcher, and has been for quite a few years, so I wouldn't worry about him busting like I would with Duke, but Duke is only making $5M a season, which isn't a crippling amount. I would hate to see us pay a reliever $12M+ a year. That's insane to me. If the sox are true on competing then they need a good closer. Hahn had said something about going without a set closer by committee but I don't think the sox have enough dominant pitchers to do that so signing a set one is might be the only way.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 05:52 PM) I'm like 90% sure Hanrahan already signed with a team. Also add Beachy to your list Hanrahan signed back with Detroit on a minor league deal

On dayan viciedo http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...dos-future-week

Mlb network starts their live coverage from the winter meetings tonight at 7

@Buster_ESPN reported Toronto interest in Williams . Told this goes back 4-6 weeks ago . https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/541669135277490176 I think this is just old news that buster is bringing up. Also remember the dodgers were after williams too probably around the same time ish

White Sox executive VP Kenny Williams says of Blue Jays rumors, "That ship has sailed." http://t.co/h7k7SBGV2D https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/541669859168616448

Ken Williams when asked about his next step: “I’m focused on helping the White Sox win another championship.” https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541648258804621314 Williams on whether he would resign from #WhiteSox: “I’ve considered all options as anyone would given the set of circumstances.” https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541648263300915201 Again, sources say that #WhiteSox are balking at granting Williams permission to speak to #BlueJays about becoming president/CEO. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541648273404985344

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Sources: #WhiteSox balking at giving permission executive VP Ken Williams to speak to #BlueJays about becoming president/CEO… Williams, in turn, is considering resigning. Promotion to president/CEO is a major step, just as it would be for #Orioles’ Duquette. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/541636720471470080

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 09:17 PM) Well the article said he wants to be in New York, but with that said, I would love to have him. Issue is now since miller is off the board he's probably going to get alot more attention. Tho if the sox get him it would hopefully strength the left side of the pen even more. Good thing is his cost might be a bit lower after last yr.

http://throughthefencebaseball.com/craig-b...ring-mets/44648

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) No one has ever said the Sox are guaranteed to win or lose with or without Alexei Ramirez. However, the White Sox insistence on not playing Semien and Sanchez at SS indicates that they aren't comfortable with them at the position. Saladino is recovering from Tommy John surgery and frankly the idea of Saladino is frightening. The Sox SHOULD explore a trade of Alexei Ramirez. I do not believe they should trade him for Jeff Samardzija in any fashion. Sox weren't insistent of not letting semien or sanchez play ss. Alot of Semiens time was at second cause Beckham was injured by the beginning of the year. Then when he came back up he played second again along with sanchez cause backham was traded. Also saw time at 3rd. Alexei playing 158 games at shortstop doesn't allow for anyone else to play there. That means the sox would have had to bench alexei to try them out there and why would they do that. Why is saladino frightening. Hahn spoke highly of him when he got injured and said would have been pushing up to the majors if it wasn't for the injury. Said he showed alot more offense this year and has been showing he can play more then one position.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 11:06 AM) The Cubs seem to have just as good of a shot at competing in the next 6 seasons as the White Sox, if not better. Why would he give a discount to the White Sox that he did not give to the Cubs? I seriously don't believe the cubs can contend for a couple more years. There prospects are so raw in major league experience wise that they need to be in the big leagues at least a full year to know what they got. They still can't get big free agents to sign yet. Who says anything about trying to get a discount from samardzija to sign. Cubs tried to go low to trying to get him to sign.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Why would the White Sox trade Alexei for Samardzija? That diminishes a lot of what the Sox are trying to do right now, and then they don't have a SS. And why would the A's trade Samardzija for Arruebarruena? He was absolutely terrible in the minors last year and is not a good bet. I just don't see any scenario that makes sense where the White Sox will trade Ramirez. That's not a bad thing. They should explore it, but they need to be asking for a lot and I just don't see it happening. How do you know the sox don't a shortstop besides alexei. How much have you seen semien or sanchez or even saladino play there to no even include them in the conversation. People are acting like if alexei was off the team and the Sox would get value in return then they couldn't compete. Alexei has value but not to to the point of saying we are guaranteed to win with him or without him we are guaranteed to lose.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:45 AM) Then, instead of giving up value, why don't the Sox wait until next year to sign him.?Swapping out Alexei for him doesn't make the White Sox any better in 2015 IMO. Because this is probably the only chance the sox have at really getting him. Next year he's a free agent and will be attached to probably a draft pick, another year older, and will have to bid against other teams.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) Who cares what he wants to do if it's not worth any money to him? If coming back home is worth $25 million off his contract to him, ok then we can talk. It wasn't worth that much to him when the Cubs made him a ~$75 million offer well before he hit FA, why do we have any reason to think it's worth that much to him now? Probably cause this is his last contract and staying for a team like the cubs isn't getting him anywhere. He's only getting money out of it with probably not competing anytime soon.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2014 -> 10:33 AM) I don't understand wanting to downgrade your average at best defense every day, to acquire a guy who might be able to help you 1 every 5 days for one season. Cause again being back in home area and playing for a contender might help him decide to sign extension. He's already said if he were to become a free agent in 2015 he would definitely like to talk about coming back to Chicago. Being that the cubs are still in rebuild mode that's leaves a possible spot to the sox. Plus it gives a chance to see what we have in semien, sanchez , saladino plus. We haven't hardly seen any of them play ss cause alexei is there about every day

Here is a hypothetical trade idea. 3 team trade with dodgers, white sox and Oakland. Based of trade would be alexei going to dodgers, Erisbel Arruebarruena going to Oakland and Samardzija going to white sox. Maybe other lower level pieces involved. Oakland gets a controlled defensive shortstop tho his offense still needs work. White sox swap the 10 million would be paid to alexei turns over to samardzija with out raising payroll and still have enough to get say melky and bullpen pieces. Dodgers get Alexei who helps them now.

Ya I don't want cespedes. Seems like a slightly better viciedo to me. Plus he's only for one year. Would rather spend the same money on melky. Boston is going to be looking for pitching in the return for him. I heard something about Boston talking to Detroit for porcello/ cespedes deal.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 07:41 PM) The A's are either rebuilding on they're not. If they trade Samardzija, they pretty much have no choice but to rebuild the next couple of seasons. At least that's the signal they're sending. I also don't believe the Indians with their Swisher/Bourne experiences are going to be so quick to take on another "bigger" contract who's only under team control for 2 more years. That's the opposite of the Indians' normal style of locking up those players like Santana and Kipnis into their first or second FA years. With their young pitchers, their best window of opportunity is 2016-2018, just like the White Sox. Just because they trade Samardzija doesn't mean they are rebuilding. They have starting pitchers coming back that were injured last year to fill in Samardzija spot thats cheaper. They have Sonny Gray, Kendall Graveman, AJ griffin, Jesse chavez, Scott Kazmir, Jarod Parker and Drew Pomeranz. Thats way more depth then the sox have and better pitchers then some of what the sox have. They trade Samardzija and shed salary and get more players back to fill in other places. Thats the whole point of money ball is to replace expensive players with cheaper players and try to get the same production. They trade players who get expensive in arbitration or going to leave for free agency and get a bunch of players in return along with drafting. Its the opposite with what kenny williams did over the the years. Kenny traded what ever prospects the sox had for expensive veterans which is the reason the farm system was so bad. tho you also have to mix in bad scouting in drafts. You have to blend drafting, trading players you aren't going to be able to keep for prospects and free agency which is what Hahn has been doing over the last year and half till now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF? Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone? If there's one thing that's certain, it's that we shouldn't be worsening a defense with any acquisition we make. Now that's hard to do in the case of LF, but Moss isn't going to be a Rasmus or even on par with Markakis/DeAza/Aoki out there. Again he's going to make up to 7 million for 2015 in his second year of arbitration. Thats up from 4 million in 2014. Also just had hip surgery. Going to trade him to save money to reinvest back into team and get more players back.

Dan Hayes Don't think it pertains to names reported earlier, but #WhiteSox have $$ for a big deal if the fit is just right. http://t.co/OatnxnhDwJ https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/540636934846963713

If this is accurate then might be scratching any thoughts of headley Jeff passan Sources: Clubs being told Chase Headley has a four-year offer for ~$65M. @JonHeymanCBS says Marlins interested. Unclear if that's the team. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/540579259996061696

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) he is not doing anything until Lester signs. I think at the end of the day one goes to Boston the other New York. Dodgers are now in for lester so it will be a bidding match vs boston. Ryu has been getting injured the last 2 yrs and with Grienke possible hitting free agency in 2016.

Jon Heyman improving chisox need righty SP & have contacted all, from Max down. MS a long shot but many choices http://t.co/UqodjfYYIc https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/540526188582948864