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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 07:19 PM) Is Moss really going to be any better than Michael Morse, Torii Hunter or even Dayan Viciedo in the OF? Can the A's afford to part with even more offense with Donaldson a near-MVP talent as well as Cespedes gone? If there's one thing that's certain, it's that we shouldn't be worsening a defense with any acquisition we make. Now that's hard to do in the case of LF, but Moss isn't going to be a Rasmus or even on par with Markakis/DeAza/Aoki out there. Again he's going to make up to 7 million for 2015 in his second year of arbitration. Thats up from 4 million in 2014. Also just had hip surgery. Going to trade him to save money to reinvest back into team and get more players back.

Dan Hayes Don't think it pertains to names reported earlier, but #WhiteSox have $$ for a big deal if the fit is just right. http://t.co/OatnxnhDwJ https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/540636934846963713

If this is accurate then might be scratching any thoughts of headley Jeff passan Sources: Clubs being told Chase Headley has a four-year offer for ~$65M. @JonHeymanCBS says Marlins interested. Unclear if that's the team. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/540579259996061696

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 4, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) he is not doing anything until Lester signs. I think at the end of the day one goes to Boston the other New York. Dodgers are now in for lester so it will be a bidding match vs boston. Ryu has been getting injured the last 2 yrs and with Grienke possible hitting free agency in 2016.

Jon Heyman improving chisox need righty SP & have contacted all, from Max down. MS a long shot but many choices http://t.co/UqodjfYYIc https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/540526188582948864

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) The payroll is already at about $80M now, right? So he expects out payroll to remain the same as it was last season? I would have thought Hahn would add to the payroll. Hayes said with arbitration and viciedo staying for now payroll being at about 72 million. That should be with the additions of duke and Laroche. Remember payroll was below 50 ish before arbitration and add in arbitration was up to about 56 ish. Add in Laroche 12 million and 4.5 for duke and at about 72 ish. Said maybe going up to 95 million maybe. http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_ty...x-after-laroche

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) Read something that Baltimore is inquiring about Kemp since they lost Cruz. Jon Heyman icymi: padres, mariners, o's have talked kemp, but o's said to be "nowhere" & impediments exist. http://t.co/SzbsZdmEiT https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/540237340313399296

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) And if Beane was willing to trade Donaldson for that reason, I'd have been willing to put together a better package than what he got if I were the White Sox GM. Everything in our system other than Rodon,Abreu,Sale, and Q would have been on the table. Hell, you might well have gotten me talking about Q. How do you know that was a bad deal for Donaldson. Beane and company is pretty good at seeing something in players and making something of them. They generally always have good pitching. I saw some where that the pitcher graveman they got should slide right into the rotation next year. If you look at his stats he went from A ball to A+, AA, AAA and the majors last year. The ss prospect was pretty good and Brett Lawrie has had a very high ceiling but has been hurt. Beane is banking on getting him off the turf from Toronto and thinking that should keep him healthy and contributing.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:37 AM) you are very much right, but Lester is an elite pitcher. that is the selling point. One is only giving up money for him. If you get a guy that you can get with only money and don't have to give up a first pick for then you get other teams involved. The Giants are supposedly involved now but they might not have been if he had a qualifying offer. Same goes for the White sox in jose abreu. They only had to give up money for not a pick too. I bet if he had a pick attached to him the white sox wouldn't have bid as high.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) There's no reason for the A's to trade Samardzija if they're not getting a high level talent back. A team in competition this year should be willing to give up a top prospect in exchange for a season of a pitcher who put up 4 WAR last year. There's no reason for Beane to accept less than a high level talent. Certainly not as high as what he gave up to get Samardzija, but still a very high level guy. Of course, there was no reason for him to give up Donaldson for the weak haul he got, so maybe the White Sox could get a steal here and maybe that's why they were in this conversation in the first place, but "assuming Billy Beane doesn't make another silly move" seems like a reasonable standard from my POV. Again the reason I believe Donaldson was traded was because he was going to get very expensive in arbitration. Beane wasn't ever going to lock him up so trade him now for prospects and use the money saved to invest back into team. Beane has to make every sent count with their payroll. It's going to be the same in trading samardzija. He gets to skip paying 10 million to him in 2015 and gets younger cost controlled prospects back. He does this all the time if someone is getting close to free agency or going to get expensive in arbitration.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) There's a fairly strong precedent that shows that draft pick compensation affects the price of low-end free agents drastically, but doesn't affect the price of high-end free agents much at all. And it makes sense the more you think about it There isn't low end free agents getting compensation picks. It's really only the high end free agents getting compensation picks. 12 players got qualifying offers in 2014 were Max Scherzer, Victor Martinez, Russell Martin, Francisco Liriano, Hanley Ramirez, Nelson Cruz, James Shields, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Ervin Santana, Michael Cuddyer, and Pablo Sandoval. Those are high end free agents. Only other free agents that are higher end didn't get the qualifying offer is either traded during the season or were on options and team/player declined them.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) I'd prefer a deal like that with Lester to trading Anderson for Samardzija and extending him at anything close to 5/$100. The money's higher but if you're paying 9 figures to a pitcher anyway...Lester's a better pitcher and you don't have to trade away something to get him. Of course, given the option I wouldn't spend 9 figures on a pitcher at all. Bad enough if the white sox have to compete against a better probably offer from Boston for Samardzija then it would be even worse money wise to compete against them for lester. Boston I think is going to go all out getting lester back.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 08:59 AM) interesting, do you know what is salary demands??? also wanting and getting is two different things. btw, he will prob get it. Only thing I saw in him was possibly the years. Haven't seen much on santana sofar.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) Wait, you're right, Lester would not receive compensation, forgot about him being traded. Because lester doesn't have a compensation pick his price will get really. I think his highest offer sofar is 6 yrs 138 million by cubs. Jon Heyman says don't be surprised if he gets up to 150 million.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 08:49 AM) ok, i said i was not going to bring this up, but i have too. if the sox has to give up a group of major prospects, plus do a contract extension, i would sign Jon Lester. another option may be Ervin Santana. i would like to know what his terms would be. Buster Olney tweeted this the other day on ervin santana. Figure santana will be Turing 32 in December. Not surprisingly, Ervin Santana looking for as long of a deal as possible: Five years. https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/539886337575616512

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) We've all been exploring lots of options to fill the hole in one corner outfield. The Dodgers still match up best for a trade with Sox. Having just acquired another outfielder, Chris Heisey, who is a true centerfielder, L. A. now has 7 outfielders, on their roster. They still need a SS, and consider Alexei a suitable candidate to fill that void. Therefore, I think that remains the most logical move. The question is: Which outfielder, and what terms, are most realistic and desirable? Although most of us would prefer one of the younger guys, such as Van Slyke, or even Pederson, someone like Ethier or Kemp is probably more realistic. So, we're back to salary relief included in a deal involving Alexei for Ethier or Kemp. Old "news" of course, but I just thought it was worth revisiting. Dodgers have 9 outfielders on their roster. Crawford, Heisey, Kemp, Schebler, Van Slyke, Ethier, Pederson, Jensen, and puig.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) I am in full agreement. They can also exclusively negotiate with Samardzija at that point and they may view the cost-value of Samardzija to be less prohibitive than that of Hamels, Latos, or Cueto. Who knows for sure. Also, Leake strikes me as a 3/4 starter in the AL, not nearly as good as Hamels, Latos, Cueto, or Samardzija. Not saying they wouldn't or shouldn't have interest, but it doesn't strike me as the guy they'd want. Ultimately, Samardzija is going to want money. There is virtually no where in the United States (or Toronto) that these guys wouldn't play if you paid them enough. I also don't think the A's traded Donaldson because he was getting expensive considering they just signed Billy Butler to a 3/$30 deal. This is not about Samardzija making too much. This is about extracting more future value out of Samardzija then he will currently give them. $20 million per year over 5 years is too expensive for the A's though. Yes samardzija is going to want money but it is his choice of where he would prefer to get it at. Just because a team like Boston can offer more money doesn't mean he wants to be there. If all he cares about money then he signs with the highest bidder. If he looking at something else then he will forgo money from a team to play somewhere else. I guarantee that a player has turned down more money to play with a team he prefers. I do believe the expensiveness of Donaldson and the chance of getting more players at cost controlled terms is what Beane did the trade. Donaldson is in his first year of arbitration. He made $500,000 in 14 and based on mlb trade rumor arbitration projections he going to get 4 million more in 2015. Lawrie is also in arbitration eligible in 2015 and projected to get 1.8 million. They saved 2.7 million in swapping Donaldson for Lawrie and got 2 pitchers and a possible good ss prospect. Samardzija who they won't lock up is going to get about 10 million in arbitration. If Beane trades samardzija and gets prospects back he now saves the 10 million he would have spent for the year on samardzija which now equals butlers 2015 money.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) Boston has the money to lock anyone up if they choose. Losing Samardzija will net a high draft pick if he leaves so that is also a chip for Beane. Boston could try to lock him up but he may not want to be there and just leave for free agency. Yes the high draft pick compensation for Beane is enticing but that means they have to keep him on the roster the whole year and pay him about 10 million. If they traded Donaldson cause he will get expensive do you really think they want to spend an extra 10 million on samardzija.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) I think they could easily acquire both Lester and Samardzija. Frankly, they need to as their rotation is incredibly thin. Frankly, the more I think about this, the more I think Beane is using the White Sox as leverage against the Red Sox. The Red Sox are in a much better position to trade for Samardzija both regarding their minor league depth, their major league team, and their ability to spend. I just don't think the White Sox can afford to trade quite a few of their guys right now. I do believe Boston can get both easily but if samardzija and his agent are keen on going to free agency and not talking extension then if your Boston wouldn't you rather acquire a pitcher to have control over like Cole hamels or a leake, latos, cueto they you might be better of a chance to lock up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) MLB Daily Dish ‏@mlbdailydish 59m59 minutes ago Jeff Samardzija trade still a possibility, Red Sox and White Sox reportedly top contenders http://sbnation.com/e/7083540 If Boston is truly in on samardzija then they probably won't do anything until lester signs. Honestly samardzija might not be moved until lester signs. The Boston thing can play into the hands of the white sox unless some other team comes in heavy for him. If lester goes back to Boston then I would think they might go after someone like Hamels who is signed through 2018 with a 2019 option. They will be trying to win for awhile and most likely the one yr of Samardzija might not be enticing enough for them IMO. Boston could also go for one of the reds pitcher with a good chance of trying to lock them up. If Boston gets lester and they go a different route for trading for a pitcher then that could maybe leave the white sox as a top spot for Samardjiza.

http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/102...-rated-rotation

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 07:43 PM) i listen to the interview. what i found interesting and funny, it was like a msg from the sox org to us, the fans, to somewhat give us a heads up and to let us know, none of the major prospct will be traded. this is my opinion. The Sox shouldn't trade their top prospects for him. Hes a one year rental at this point. It would be kinda funny if the sox traded a one year worth package for him and then lock him up afterwards. I think the sox are going to make a bold move. I would say it would be with the starting pitching side. If the sox are investing in duke for 3 years and Laroche for 2 yrs then they have to be competing in right out of spring training. Means they have to invest in a good starting pitcher. something like Mccarthy, hammel and masterson are not #2 or 3 starter. I think they are looking at better to be competitive.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/landin...-long-term-plan

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) Johnson also hits for less power than Semien. By a lot. Right handed power is at a premium in the majors, especially if you can get it from a guy that plays 2B, 3B, or SS. Meanwhile, I'm sure the Sox could acquire Jemile Weeks from Baltimore for next to nothing. He's what he's done in the minors - .285/.380/.406/.786. And he's what Micah Johnson has done in the minors - .297/.366/.422/.787. Remarkably similar. If the Sox could substitute Micah in any move instead of Semien, then they absolutely should. Yes the difference between the two is power for semien vs speed for johnson. Sox have enough power especially if they upgrade LF with someone like cabrera. Power in terms of home runs is sporadic vs speed. Look at the royals. They didn't have enough power for home runs but they did it with speed on the base paths. Sox have power but can use extra speed with Eaton. With as much talk with the sox liking johnson I'm sure they aren't going to start adding his name to trades in stead of Semien.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 02:12 PM) Every time somebody mentions Johnson I always think, "You can't steal first base*" I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him being able to get on base enough in the majors to be a full-time starter. * - Unless you are AJ Pierzynski in Game 2 of the ALCS Johnson has gotten on base a .008 less than semien in the minors. Johnson has a .366 OBP and semien has a .374. Johnson hits a higher average at .297 vs semien at .272. I think johnson would have been first in line at second if it wasn't for the injury. I also believe he would have hit better in Charlotte if it wasn't for the nagging injury. Time will tell tho in spring training if he's ready or needs a bit more work in Charlotte.