TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) Agreed. I am not expecting Danks to be traded. I think the best Sox fans can hope for is that Danks pitches well and is traded in June/July next year or that he pitches well for a contending White Sox team and could be traded after next season. As for Brown. I just read an article that projected Brown to make between 1.25-2M in 2015 while Tank is projected to make around 4.4M so given the Phillies payroll situation, that trade might not be all that realistic. Plus, in AL honest I think Tank has more value than Brown seeing as how bad Brown's numbers were last year. Uhgg were they bad. Might be better off not even looking into Brown to be honest. I really like the idea raBBit has of Brandon Belt. Not sure if he will be available or at what price but the idea is a good one to ponder. Well he wouldn't be very easy to get if he was good last year now would he lol? He was the #4 prospect in all of baseball just 3 years ago and hit .270 with 27 HR's last year in his 1st full season in the majors...he's for sure not perfect and I'm not even saying he's a sure thing, but I'd say he's definitely worth a shot. This is why my original offer of Johnson and Thompson works a lot better, they are 2 pieces we can definitely do without imo and make sense for the Phillies who have absolutely 0 young talent.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 04:04 PM) I didn't know/think about Rollins NTC so your insight from living in the area is very helpful and I appreciate it. Back to the s*** throwing drawing board I guess. Now your idea of failed prospects swap makes far more sense than trying to dump John Danks and his salary onto a team that's pretty much tapped at this point. Im thinking that since Brown is about to hit arbitration and get raise, his 2015 salary will be closer to Tank's so maybe a Tank for Brown could be a possibility seeing how neither has lived up to expectations so far. I don't know if Philly would have interest in Tank or not? You would have a better idea than I would. Yeah people need to realize that no one actually wants Danks, we are most likely stuck with that contract. I wish I could tell you what Ruben Amaro is thinking, but I'm fairly sure he doesn't even know. That team and farm system is such a mess. The only thing I could say that would make the Tank trade make sense is that the Phillies are indeed LH heavy at the top of their order, so its possible that a new face that hits RH would make some sense for them from that standpoint.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 12:32 PM) You guys are missing the point in all this. 1- I said from the beginning that I was throwing s*** out there. 2- a deal was proposed by another poster that suggested both Danks brothers be sent to Philli. The Phillies payroll is pretty well maxed last I read so in order for Philli to take on payroll, they would have to trade payroll as well. That's why I threw the names of Rollins and Lee into the mix. The proposed trade of John/Jordan Danks for Domonic Brown just isn't going to happen. I could see Danks and Tank as a possibility IF the Sox were willing to take on a higher salary player or two from Philli. Let me stress again, just throwing s*** out there. There are better players out there to go after than Brown, I'm just entertaining the possibility is all. I hear you on just throwing s**** out...that's what the off season is for. Although to crush your trade just a little more I'll throw in that Rollins has a no trade clause and I don't think Chicago is where he wants to end his career. When I suggested Brown I was thinking a failed prospect for failed prospect type of deal that is always popular in the MLB. Like a Dom Brown for Erik Johnson and Trayce Thompson type of deal. Idk, maybe the Phillies laugh at that deal, but it just seems to me that the organization and coach are over him and ready to move on. Or at lest I can assure you that's the fan bases mindset from listening to sports talk radio here in Philly.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 12, 2014 -> 11:58 PM) Rollins is a defensive upgrade. Easier to trade than Danks? Not sure what you mean by that... If by indicators you Scott Merkin declaring Johnson the 2B of 2015, I'd take that with a huge grain of salt until ST is over. As I've already explained, Rollins instantly improves the defense and gives the lineup a number two hitter while allowing Johnson to improve his defense at Charlotte for one more season. Rollins is a FA at the end of 2015 so hopefully Johnson, Sanchez or even Anderson ( if he doesn't stick at SS) will be ready for the 2016 season. Again, as someone who is local to the philly area and gets stuck watching a good amount of Phillies games I can assure Rollins sucks and we shouldn't want anything to do with him. Why would you want an expensive 36 year old who struggles to hit .250/3.20?? That and he is a bit of a diva, he'd probably have an attitude if he came here and played 2B and hit at the bottom of the lineup.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 12, 2014 -> 10:33 AM) unless it was for discipline matters. just throwing that out there. I am prob wrong. edit: according to cbs sports, he is out due to a hand injury. Nah I'm local to the philly area and he lost a ton of AB's when they signed Grady Sizemore. As silly as that sounds....Brown was healthy enough

Didn't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if he's been mentioned yet, but I'd definitely see if the Phillies are giving up on Dom Brown. His value is pretty low at this point so I can see them holding on to him, but they more or less benched him at the end of the year so it's entirely possible.

Missed the entire 2013 season after knee surgery and stunk in the 250 AB's he got with the Mariners this past season....However, he's not yet 33 and hit 87 HR's while maintaining a .270+ avg and .330+ obp the past 3 years he was on the field and healthy. He is now an outright free agent after being released by the Mariners and doesn't have to wait until after the WS to sign. So....is he worth buying low on and hoping he can get healthy next year and return to form? Personally, I'd take the shot and do it what it takes to get him committed to our team next spring and see if the knee is healthy and he can bounce back.

Pretty straight forward....and by future I mean beyond next year.

Didn't post much, but I followed the game threads on pretty much a nightly basis. Great work all around

4 years $60M(my guess) and lose a draft pick for a 34 year old having a career year? No thanks.

I have my eye on DJ Stewart from FSU. Big lefty who can mash and play a decent corner OF. Hit .351/.472/.557 with 19 doubles and 7 hr's as a sophomore to earn ACC player of the year. Another big year this upcoming year and he could easily find himself in the top 10. http://bigleaguefutures.net/1/2014/02/19/p...ile-dj-stewart/

No idea what this board's love affair with Gillaspie is....he's a fine UTL guy to have off of the bench, but no idea why anybody thinks he's a long term solution for this team. I fully expect him to be replaced by the time we are serious contenders. May or may not be by Davidson, but he's below average in the field, average at best speed and has little to no power. And then there's his wildly unrealistic to repeat .350 BABIP this year....again, Davidson may not be the answer, but other options should definitely be explored. Same with 2b and DH

Chris Beck is a very underrated prospect around here....I don't think he'll be a front line starter, but I think he can be a good #4 who can keep his ERA around 4 and eat innings. Don't get too caught up in the K #'s....plenty of sinker ballers have had successful cseasons with a K/9 in the 5's.

Time to find a reason to put Danks on the DL. The phantom "shoulder fatigue" could work. Wouldn't mind seeing Beck get his feet wet in the majors for a a decent stretch.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 07:13 PM) according to mlb rumors cle in looking to move their SS Cabrera.... look as cle is moving salary and / or potential excuse not to renew high salary players. Or it might have something to do with that Francisco Lindor guy....

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) You say this (and everything behind it)... ...and then follow it with this. Do you understand what I'm getting at? I probably should have quoted but I was responding to the couple people who made it seem as if we were giving up too much. I completely agree that trading for Hamels would be right move for our franchise, but that's only because I don't believe we are poised to win at the moment and 1 pitcher isn't going to change that. But from a pure value/talent standpoint I don't think the package in the OP would get us Hamels and isn't even close to too much.

Lol at our B and C level prospects being too much for a top ten pitcher in baseball with a world series ring and mvp who is controlled for 4 more years at fair market value. How is his contact a hindrance if he's pitching great? If he was on the open market he wouldn't get more than 4 years 90 mil? If Philly really is open to trading him (which I don't believe) they would have a lot better offers than what we could possibly come up with. But with all that said we aren't nearly in a place to be even considering a deal like that and I'm pretty positive Hahn isn't.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 06:20 PM) I believe that there is value in not having a rotation in shambles. Danks helps stabilize what could very easily be a disaster of a rotation with no obvious candidates to step up. What disaster? We lose 90 games instead of 86 and subsequently get a higher pick? Sounds downright horrible.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) Danks can certainly be a factor in the Sox next run for the World Series. He is not an average pitcher, he is an average mid-rotation pitcher, something that is not that easy to replace or the Sox would have three more of them. His contract is reasonable for his performance and it is unlikely that the Sox would get any discount by bringing someone in put up similar production. Couple that with the way that Danks has continued to improve the further he has gotten from surgery, he could end up being an extremely solid #3 starter in a playoff rotation. The money is not holding the Sox back from anything and the Sox have a terrible track record of acquiring established players in free agency. Danks is what he is at this point....You can most likely rely on him for about 185 innings of 3.8-4.3 ERA ball. Don't get me wrong, there's no shame in that kind of performance, but he is by no means a good value at $14M or hard to replace at all. We should and will be able to replace Danks at at least 1/2 the price. Not to mention that if a lefty has to go when Rodon arrives in Chicago Danks is without question the odd man out.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:04 PM) I truly believe that if we move Danks, we're all going to be disappointed with the return. Unless moving his contract will truly open up the door to a big acquisition, I think he's more valuable to us as a relatively stable back-end rotation piece (in a rotation that includes Scott Carroll) than he is to any other team as a rotation plug. Trades are fun, but if I'm being honest with myself, I think we should just keep him. If you're being honest with yourself John Danks is not going to be a factor in whether we can compete for a world series again relatively soon. The shoulder injury turned him into a pretty average pitcher that is replaceable at a much lower cost. If someone is willing to take the contract let them as far as I'm concerned. Free up the money and you never know what could happen, it's not like this franchise has shied away from acquiring high cost players in the past. Who cares who our 4th starter is for the rest of the year when we aren't making the playoffs anyway?

I am also guilty of underrating Q. I was calling him "only" a #3 starter in the off-season. I'm now proud to call him a legit #2 starter with a bright future ahead of him.

Anybody want to take a guess on the figure we'd have to chip in to get a couple of decent prospects back? I was thinking something like $8M. 2 for the rest of this year and 3 for the 2 remaining years. Turns him into an $11 million dollar pitcher which seems to be around the market with guys like Jiminez, Arroyo, and Feldman. If we could get 1 of Clarkin or Judge for Danks I'd be extremely happy.

Rodon would obviously be #1, but would Spencer Adams also crack the top 10? I would say he could definitely fit somewhere between 7-10

Idk doesn't seem like much actually. Street has been incredible and has a pretty reasonable option next year. I don't get the hype with Lindsey. Sure, he has pretty good pop for a 2B, but his track record doesn't exactly project to him maintaining a very good avg or obp in the majors. I'm surprised another wasn't willing to give up a better prospect honestly.

Christian Walker is also an interesting name from the Orioles organization. Not the "toolsy" type with a huge ceiling, but he's done nothing but hit since his days of winning 2 CWS at South Carolina. .301/.367/.516 with 20 HR's in AA so far this year and just got called up to AAA.