TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 07:35 PM) We traded for Thome who had a big contract from Philly that worked for us. Why wouldn't there be any takers in say the national league that could use a player with his high obp and power enhanced by a huge discount. You can't even compare Dunn to Thome circa 2005. Thome had a down year the year before we traded for because of injury. He only had 242 AB's. And even despite .205 average he still manged a .360 OBP. The year before that he hit .279/.396/.581. Dunn has been bad for 3 straight years. Plus he can't play 1B full time. Dunn is a late desperate grab at adding a power bat for 1 of the AL contenders. Yankees? Rangers? Oakland?

Isn't it possible that Dunn's value is higher right now than it will be at the break though? He was having a pretty good 2nd half until he fell flat out his face his last month. What if he is hitting .195/.320 with 12 HR's at the deadline? We could easily end up stuck with him for the entire season. I'm not saying we should flat out dump him, but I think Hanhn should be doing his due diligence on moving him (if there is a market at all). I agree that $5 million should be the limit of what we should be willing to chip in though.

And the $ keeps flowing in LA

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Brody Colvin. He was a top prospect for the Phillies at 1 point. Could be a good bullpen arm, he has a power curve already. He has some mechanical and control issues but who knows....Coop could fix him

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 24, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) I can't find the article that I believe "Dayan" posted that talked about how they weren't "passing" on 2014, and it went along with what Bucket has said at the beginning of the offseason. IDK, can a front office really say they are "passing" on a year even if they really are? I personally see the front office's focus on 2015. And with the core we have currently I don't think its at all unrealistic that we could be serious contenders by then. The Red Sox laid out a blue print and we should be following it.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 24, 2013 -> 05:33 PM) Actually I kind of view it as the opposite. STL was one of the few teams that could actually call Alexei a substantial upgrade. And they decided that it was more prudent to give a buttload of money to a PED user than trade for Alexei. And now, the market for Alexei looks very very thin. I just don't know where the demand is going to come from, especially with Stephen Drew still a FA. Not many contending teams need a SS. Hopefully the market will change through injuries or more PED suspensions... Was thinking the same thing. What contenders still need a SS? Dodgers, Pirates, and ??? Plus with Drew still available it lessens the market further. Hahn could be very busy at the deadline

I don't see how a trade makes sense with San Diego at all. Alexei doesn't make any more sense for them than Headley does for us. Unless its a young pitcher for their young hitter swap. Grandal is literally the only guy that makes sense from their team to me. And I think that might cost us Q, not sure they'd let him go for Hector.

Dodgers? They have Hanley, but they don't have a 3B either and Hanley could easily slide over. Could be some sort of older Cuban mentor for Puig too. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind getting a package back that included Dee Gordon. Hasn't looked great in the majors so far, but he's demonstrated he can be a pretty productive hitter in the minors. Just needs to put it together and change of scenery could be good for him. Obviously not the only thing I would want in return for Alexei. Only other team I can think of is the Pirates. They have a plethora of young players we could want in return.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 08:10 PM) Can we trade for Gary Sanchez please? Not sure how realistic it is that the Yankees will trade Sanchez at this point, but they do have a kid named JR Murphy who slashed .280/.359/.439 between AA and AAA last year. May not have the pedigree of Sanzhez, but seems ready to contribute fairly soon and could be a guy we get as part of a package.

7:26pm: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that one team who offered Peralta four years and $52MM was told they're "not even in [the] game." http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/card...se-to-deal.html Yikes, no way I'd even pay the $52M for Peralta, let alone more. He hasn't been able to put together 2 consecutive good seasons in quite some time.

Rosenthal defusing the rumor a bit now. Says talks are serious, but no deal is close

No details yet, but over or under $100 million?

I don't think anybody needs to waste the effort of discussing Matt Kemp. Not happening.

So I think we can all agree that Hahn should at least be exploring trade possibilities for 1 of young LH SP's? We should make up a list of all of the teams actively looking for SP and what they presumably could/would realistically offer. I'll start... La Angels - Their rotation is very weak beyond Wilson and Weaver. Even more so after letting lefty Vargas walk. They are also in championship or bust mode given their pay roll. Who they could give up- Howie Kendrick, Mark Trumbo, Taylor Lindsey, CJ Cron, Kaleb Cowart Not sure how they look as a trade partner to be honest. I want to move in the opposite direction of the Trumbo's of the world and Kendrick is a little old for us. Plus their top position prospects leave a lot to be desired. Anyone wanna try another team?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) Even with Jay traded there is four outfielders there..? Bourjos will be 27 at the start of next year and has a grand total of 1100 AB's in the majors with a .251/.306/.398 career slash line. Bourjos is hardly penciled into the starting lineup.

QUOTE (SoIL @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) I work with a knowledgeable, but slightly cynical Cardinal fan. He claims Jay is "brutal" in centerfield. His -7 uzr backs that up. This could be nothing more than dumping freeze for a 4th OF/defensive replacement. Bourjos has done nothing in his career to warrant an immediate starting spot anyway.

QUOTE (beautox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) I would love to see the cards empty the warrens for Tulo. Would they really have to empty anything? Martinez or Shelby Miller + Adams + Piscotty would get them real close to Tulo I would imagine. And that barely makes a dent in their future plans because of their incredible depth. I' incredibly jealous of that franchise.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) That prospect is the Angels number 2 prospect and was selected with the pick before Mike Trout. He has had a tough time with injuries which has stunted his develop but is still young and has upside. Pretty even swap of arb eligible players that fills holes for both clubs. 2nd best prospect in the 3rd worst farm system in baseball....Not saying Grichuk cant or wont become a player, I just don't think he's anything more than a B level prospect that is still quite far away.

Salas and Freese for Bourjos and a prospect who struggled his first season in AA? Seems like a pretty good deal for the Halos. Although knowing the St Louis organization that prospect will probably be amazing in 2 years.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) I don't think Semien is a true 3B just like Beckham wasn't and they forced him there.. I want Semien to play but not at 3B unless somehow Beckham turns it around. Right now I would rather have Gillaspie then Beckham in the line up. Ehh ok, I can't even argue with that. Im all for Beckham not starting, somehow I dont think its going to happen though.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 07:46 PM) I have a feeling they will try Semien at 3B which would be a mistake IMO. Unless Beckham or Ramirez gets traded Mistake in which way? You really like Gillaspie huh? If Semien hits in the Spring he absolutely deserves AB's over Gillaspie.

4 years is definitely 1 year too many, but can't really argue $8 mil for a SP who is going to eat a bunch of innings and keep his ERA around 4. Good deal for a team in contention.....except thats not the Royals.

Jeez now I'm kinda sorry I brought up the freeze thing. Remind me to never mention him again lol

Something tells me we will end up with 1 of the power arms that throw 95+. Wouldn't hurt to see if a guy can develop on the fly into a hard throwing late inning guy. Not like they can be worse than guys like Axelrod or Leesman

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) Well what about the year before when he did this? 20 HR 79 RBI .297 AVG .372 OBP 567 ABs you know, when he was relatively healthy. Last year was his worst year in the majors, and he missed 24 games due to injuries, and still was just as good as Conor Shhhh don't bring things like facts and com mon sense into this argument. Not allowed.