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    Sean Murphy Traded to Braves

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    9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    How does William Contreras throw? With bigger bases and a shorter route, more stealing in 2023.

    https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/william-contreras-661388?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlb
     

    Reports and stats don’t seem to like his defense at all. I’ve seen him projected as a future DH. But the Brewers did turn Omar Narvarez into a solid defensive catcher so possible they feel like they can work with Contreras as well. 

     

    Your 2023 Off-Season Plan

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    Trade Crochett and Popeye for Jake McCarthy, Dominic Canzone and Kevin Ginkel

     
    Trade Hendriks and Romy for Gleyber Torres, Estevan Florial and Albert Abreu
     
    Trade Sheets for a cost controlled middle reliever…should be a decent amount of possibilities so won’t guess on who, but something about Sheets seems to fit with Tampa to me.
     
    Gleyber fills the 2B hole. Would need 2 of Colas/McCarthy/Canzone/Florial to hit well enough to lock down the corners OF spots, something I’d be comfortable betting on. In a perfect world(service time probably still plays a role)  it’s Colas and McCarthy as the starters, Florial as the 4th OF’er, and Canzone takes over for Sheets as the bench 1B/LF/DH/LH pinch hitter.
     
    Bullpen obviously takes a hit losing Hendriks, but I still believe Lopez/Graveman/Bummer is a good enough 8th/9th inning trio. Relying on some combo of Grinkel/Diekman/Kelly/Abreu/Lambert/Avila/Sheets trade to be solid in the middle innings is where it would get a little dicey…can also sign some vets to minor league deals to add to our chances.
     
    SS-TA
    3B-Moncada
    CF-Robert
    DH-Eloy
    RF-Colas
    1B-Vaughn
    2B-Torres
    C- Yaz
    LF-McCarthy
    Bench- Florial, Canzone, Luery, Seby
    I think the lineup, balance, depth(burger, sosa, and Perez still in AAA in case of injury) and defense are all much improved.
     
    Cease, Lynn, Gio, Kopech, Clevinger still remains a possibility for a very strong rotation with some health luck. Martin stays in AAA for depth 

     

    WSox listed as interested in Dbacks OFs

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    Looking at the Dbacks again, they are actually a very interesting trade partner. Along with Thomas, Carroll, Varsho and McCarthy already in the majors they also have a pair of interesting 25 year old lefty OF’ers in AAA that they drafted in 2019.

     

    Dominic Fletcher- Plus defender in CF who has hit .296/.368/.467 with 32 hrs in 290 games from A-AAA in 2.5 years. Drafted 75th overall out of Arkansas

    https://www.mlb.com/prospects/dbacks/dominic-fletcher-666150

     

     

    Dominic Canzone- Sounds like an average LF only(has also played 1B), but his bat is the big selling point. Advancing through every level of the minors in 2.5 years he’s hit .297/.360/.533 with 44 HR’s across 231 games. 8th round pick out of Ohio St
    https://www.mlb.com/prospects/dbacks/dominic-canzone-686527


    Not sure what a potential deal would look like, but it makes sense for the Dbacks to trade the glut of OF depth they have for something else. With TA, Montgomery, and Sosa ahead of him (with Romy as more depth) I wonder what Dbacks OF’er we could get for a guy like Popeye?

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    WSox listed as interested in Dbacks OFs

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    Varsho doesn’t seem like anything special, but is a lefty that hit 27 HR’s and is very solid in the OF. Also can catch but his arm isn’t good enough to stick there apparently…but could have value for us there if Yaz is a complete bust again. 
     

    Also wonder if they are looking to get out of the Marte contract…Marte + Varsho could be an interesting trade package for us. Don’t know what a realistic offer would be tho…Crochett seems like a decent starting point 

    TA likes ominous tweet: The trade Anderson thread

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    6 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

    I'd be curious to see a poll of Soxtalk members who prefer keeping Giolito, TA, Hendriks and adding marginal at best players 

    vs

    Trade these guys who still have some value (Even Giolito has some value imo) to retool their awful minor league system (Sox aren't competing in 2023) and these trade chips are GONE or lose massive value after this year

    I don't wanna make the poll, someone else do it ?

    Letting Hahn spearhead a 2nd rebuild would be insanity and shouldn’t be a remote possibility. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    TA likes ominous tweet: The trade Anderson thread

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    1 hour ago, Pal said:

    TA going is real. Not saying its pending or anything, but it's a 100% a possibility. He's worn out his welcome. 

    How has he worn out his welcome? Maybe it’s because I’m an out of town fan and I miss out on stuff, but I really don’t understand the dislike for TA. Are people really on their high horses pretending to care about what he does in his personal life? Is there something else I’m missing? 
    There’s like 6 pages of people crying about the idea of trading a soon to be 34 year old closer (Hendriks), but the idea of trading out 29 year old all-star shortstop gets everyone on board? Someone explain please 

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    Joey Gallo Rumor Thread

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    18 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

    They need the power and OBP. 

    Gallo’s shortened 2019 season was the only year he was a high obp guy. 2021 was his best full season at .351…that’s Benintendi’s career average obp. Gallo’s sits at a poor .325
     

    Obviously the 20+ more HR’s Gallo will hit would be nice, which why I said I won’t be mad, but I’d be lying if I said I’m not a little scared of Gallo. I can’t do another Adam Dunn. 

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    Winter Meetings Thread

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    18 minutes ago, fathom said:

    What they do need is a 4th outfielder that can hit LHP, if they do get Gallo

    Agreed…can Gallo still play CF in a pinch? That would be helpful. Looks like he was decent in CF in 2019 for the Rangers, but hasn’t played there much since. 
     

    But boy are the FA OF options that will make 4th OF’er $ bleak. Not much there. Could Wil Myers get enough AB’s between OF and 1B to justify whatever he ends up getting(assuming 5-8 mil)? 

    White Sox pick Nick Avila in Rule 5

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    Not much info on Avila, but I’ll take it. Cheap arm with some upside to possibly eat some innings in the 5th/6th inning…the Ruiz role. Looks like he was tried as a starter at 1 point, so even with the lack of innings so far I imagine he’s got some ability to stretch out and throw multiple innings.


    “A Modesto native, Avila has been a breakout reliever prospect this season. After starting the year at High-A, Avila earned a promotion to Double-A and he has been even more effective for Richmond. Between both levels, Avila is sporting an incredible 0.79 ERA with 50 strikeouts (13 walks) and 13 saves in 45.1 innings (40 appearances). Avila features multiple fastballs that hover in the mid-90s alongside an eclectic assortment of breaking balls that have done an excellent job keeping opposing hitters off balance. He was selected as the best reliever in the Northwest League by Baseball America and will likely need to be added to the Giants 40-man roster this offseason. Otherwise, another team would likely select him in the Rule 5 draft.”

    https://www.si.com/mlb/giants/.amp/prospects/sf-giants-prospects-casey-schmitt-nick-swiney-baseball-america-tools

     

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    Winter Meetings Thread

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    3 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:

    The "process" in Philadelphia has been an epic failure.  Those bozos made their fans sit through 3 straight seasons where they didn't even win 20 games. All those years flushed down the toilet and they couldn't even win one Eastern Conference Championship. 

    It will never happen in a million years but the "epic Fail" tank jobs by professional sports orgainizations should be punished heavily in someway. Ownership should be forced to pay back season ticket holders and the fanbase in someway. Relegation like in professional socceer should be implemented in some fashion as well. 

    As a Sixers fan I gotta interject on this slander…the “process” was never completed because the NBA are crooks and forced the Collangelo’s upon the Sixers and fired Sam Heinkie. The process was ruined by bad moves from a guy who had burner accounts on Twitter talking bad about his own players. Regardless, the Sixers still went from a 6th-10th seed with no hope to a perennial contender…even if the big playoff success hasn’t come to fruition yet. 

    2023 MLB offseason signings and rumors thread

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    7 minutes ago, chw42 said:

    Hendriks has to have value with how much relievers are getting paid. Liam is probably twice the reliever Jansen is. 

    He always did, his contract and performance aren’t bad at all…no idea why people didn’t think he had any value. I don’t want to trade him, but trading Liam may very well be the best way to both free up $ and get value back for this team. 

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    Winter Meetings Thread

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    17.5 for Bellinger…said to have turned down multi year offers to take the 1 year deal. 
     

    Not that it’s a bad risk for them to take…but not sure how the 1 year deal really helps the cubs. Use the 17.5M this year to get a comp pick out of him?

    Liam Hendriks coming up in trade discussions

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    11 hours ago, Tony said:

    Aaron Judge, Cody Bellinger, Michael Brantley, Joey Gallo, Kevin Kiermaier, Andrew Benintendi, Brandon Nimmo and a slew of others are all available. The Sox could have plenty of OF's if they wanted them. Trading their closer to fill that hole is only necessary if you aren't willing to spend money. 

    Stop justifying things that shouldn't be justified.

    I’m not justifying anything. We all know we have an awful and cheap owner. But we also all know there’s nothing we can do about the situation, it is what it is. I’m only talking about the reality of here and now…the roster needs to be improved and trading Liam does indeed represent an opportunity to do so. Not to mention that there’s like 3 quality free agent OF’ers that you listed and Benintendi is probably the only realistic option. 

    Liam Hendriks coming up in trade discussions

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    9 minutes ago, Tony said:

    Trading Liam, and losing Abreu in the same offseason, when the Sox are still in “win-now” mode sends an awful message.  
     

    The only reason they would move Liam is money. I can’t seem them getting an offer that would just be a no-brainer where someone is offering a vast overpayment in players for Liam…so you’re moving him because of payroll restrictions, which only exist because of the owner. 

    We have 1 OF’er on the roster, of course it’s conceivable we could improve the team by trading Liam. I  would have no problem with Lopez sliding into the closer role.
     

    The biggest mishap with Jose was not trying to trade him at the deadline. Moving on from soon to be 36 and 34 year olds while they still have value is never a bad idea…now can this front office actually make a smart move and improve the team? That’s a fair question. 

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    Bryan Reynolds’s requests trade

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    2 hours ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

    I’d say that is closer to a reasonable projection than a ceiling for Vaughn. To me his ceiling, as in best case scenario, is closer to .400 OBP and .575 SLG

    Yeah you’re right, my projection was what I expect for the collective average of Vaughn’s prime. 

    Bryan Reynolds’s requests trade

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    18 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

    Vaughn's ceiling is Maggs 1st 3 years in Detroit IMO. 

    I’d say the 2006 version specifically. .298/.350/.477 with 24 HR’s sounds about right to hope to get out of Vaughn’s prime years. Very good player, shouldn’t be looking to get rid of that player by any means…but when you are talking about a 1B/DH only type of guy the value obviously goes down. If Vaughn could be used in a package without Colas or Montgomery to get an all-star caliber LH OF’er I think you’d have to seriously consider it. 

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