TheFutureIsNear

Francona would be damn near 70 by the time the team even has a shot of competing. Doesn’t make sense for either side. Going to have to be someone that is in it for the long haul and prepared to build a new culture from scratch…which is going to be much easier said than done of course.

Sad state of affairs when I check the box scores and see the Sox win and I’m disappointed. I don’t think it’s possible, but these jerks better not rob us of the record season. I want the embarrassment for everyone involved

Rodney Linares is the guy they should go after. But he may have other options, which pretty much eliminates us

They need to just give up on him his a starter. Stick him in the big league pen next year and see if he survives. If not just move on. He’s about to be 26, pretty much in “lost cause” territory.

Curious to see if he can continue the high level D in CF with Robert out now. A .700 OPS (still a big IF he’s capable) and strong CF D is actually a pretty useful player

The most sickening thing about this whole disaster is the fact that we are going to get the 10th pick in the draft after having to suffer through this nightmare MLB should be making rules that specifically hurt garbage owners like Jerry. Instead they made a rule that saves him $ on a draft pick and further punishes the fans. Hit Jerry where it hurts him the most, his wallet. Or force the clown to sell (I know that will never happen). Instead, they made a rule that will make it even harder for the team to pull out of this tail spin. And Jerry still won’t give a s%*#. Unbelievable. Forget there being a light at the end of the tunnel, there is no tunnel. This franchise is buried 6 feet under until Jerry is the same…and even then it will still be a long road back.

Yeah I’d happily take Hahn back over Getz any day. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying he’s a good GM. There were for sure A LOT of bad moves, but there were some good ones as well. Going into 2020 this team was set up with a good amount of young talent that SHOULD have worked out. Organizational failure to develop players is probably the #1 issue for this team’s demise. Moncada, Robert, Vaughn, TA, Kopech, Cease, Lopez, Gio (probably missing some)…I don’t think anyone saw all of those players failing in some way or another. And I don’t know how that was the GM’s fault. But again, there were definitely bad moves and Hahn deserved to be fired…but he for sure had the team looking like it was going in a very good direction at 1 point. Given Getz’s track record of identifying talent (and his poor job of directing the minors) to acquire so far I have pretty much 0 faith in his ability to ever get us close to that point.

Flexen quickly says hold my beer…I’ll show you how to lose games

Why stop at franchise history? Worst in MLB history seems more than appropriate.

Even just moving the team back to the 5th pick is a big punishment…all the way back to 10 is just crazy. I also think the MLB is greatly overestimating how much some of the terrible owners like Jerry care. This new rule is essentially trying to force owners to pay up and invest $ to get the team better. Jerry is going to give a big “No Thank You” back as an answer, he just doesn’t care if the team remains bad. And he’s not the only owner

I still have no problem with the idea of a Burger trade, but obviously the execution of identifying the talent of Eder was awful. Burger is going to be exciting to watch and root for a 1/3 of the season and then be borderline unplayable for the other 2/3 of the season. He is what he is at this point, a DH only that will end up with an OPS around .800 that doesn’t really tell the whole story of his season. The biggest mistake was probably allowing a GM you know is going to be fired to make a trade at the deadline. That’s was the biggest flaw in the puzzle, not trading Burger in general

Robert has been in the league for way too long to still have no idea what a good at bat is. Even in what was considered a good season for him last year he still had a .315 OBP. That’s not a good way to have sustainable success. My guess is that Robert is the type of guy that has gotten by on pure talent/being bigger, faster, stronger his entire life and now that he has to adjust, make changes, and even study it’s just not happening. Hopefully this is a wake up call for him, but I also think a mentor would sure help. Unfortunately I’m not sure that person exists within the Sox organization.

With the Sox its most likely the answer is that it’s just both…but I do think there is a chicken or the egg question in terms of is talent acquisition or talent development being the bigger problem. There’s undoubtedly talent acquisition problems (especially at the mlb level), but when you get to something like the Chris Sale trade and we are getting nothing out of what were multiple consensus top prospects at the time, it does make you wonder. I guess what I’m getting at is that I don’t think a couple of new guys in the front office are going to change everything. You would almost have to just start the entire organization over from the minor league coaching up. But obviously new, outside, voices in the front office would be a great start.

Let’s just break every record that involves losing at this point. Make it as embarrassing as possible for everyone involved

Keith Law must have known this trade was coming, his hatred of White Sox prospects is prophetic now. Law didn’t have Bergolla as a top 20 prospect in the Phillies system. 5’9 165 with 0 power is definitely Getz’s type tho. But it’s Tanner Banks so any return is good enough, nothing to complain about.

I’m all for trashing the Sox/Getz…but a DeJong trade isn’t a valid reason for it. Any warm body for DeJong is sufficient value

Tommy Edman is the exact type of player that will keep me from ever fully buying into advanced analytics. The idea that a guy that, outside of a handful of outlier hot months, can’t maintain a .700 OPs is a valuable asset is crazy to me. Nice bench utility guy, sure, but that’s not that hard to find or valuable. And he’s not even cheap or under long term control, just bizarre to me.

This trade wreaks of desperation and tells me ownership/the front office still thinks this can be turned around quickly. There’s no other explanation to value Vargas over other legit prospects that haven’t reached the majors yet.

There’s no way the Cards are getting away with not trading a single prospect. If there’s no one else coming back this feels almost like giving up Feede for free. I don’t think some fringe 19 yo prospects would have been difficult to get for Pham and Kopech alone

I sill fail to see what appealing prospects either the Cardinals or Dodgers can offer…other than taking the gamble on Walker. Something like… White Sox out- Fedde White Sox in- Victor Scott, Leonardo Bernal and Josue DePaula Dodgers out- DePaula Dodgers in- Edman Cardinals out- Edman, Scott, Bernal Cardinals in: Fedde But even that feels very underwhelming honestly

Congrats on waking up from your multi year coma….but I have some bad news for you

Yeah now that I’m reading some articles it seems Edman probably has more value than I thought. Seems kinda crazy to me giving up any prospect with real value for a guy like Edman. But I’m also aware my opinion on this is worthless, so hopefully I’m way wrong and that trade can work out in our favor.

Yeah Edman would be going to the Dodgers…so they wouldn’t be giving up any prospects of significance. They aren’t trading Fedde level prospects for Edman. It would be the Dodgers eating Edman’s contract and probably throwing in a 3rd lotto ticket prospect going to the Sox

Wait why?

Why? Neither the Cardinals or Dodgers have a particularly interesting hitting prospect to get back. And what am I missing with Edman? I feel like he has very little value. A mediocre utility guy coming off of wrist surgery can’t bring much back.